Awesome!

can someone help me here, the mutilate spreadsheet tells me to gem haste. but when I do so and I correct my spreadsheet that I'm fully gemmed with haste it tells me to gem AP again?

Hello guys,

After all the changes, I need to know why is not better spent 3 points on Student of the Mind - Spell - World of Warcraft taking those points from Flame Throwing - Spell - World of Warcraft

10% is better than 4%, translated in more crit right?

You would be correct if every single fight in ICC and Ruby Sanctum was a stand-there-and-burn-the-boss type of fight. But it isn't.

The reason why 0/3 [Student of the Mind] + 2/2 [Flame Throwing] is better than your current set up is because more movement = less DPS time (think Heroic Princes).

It's true that 10% spirit would be fantastic if all fights were Patchwerk-like fights, but it's not. You're better off putting that one extra talent point into 1/2 [Magic Absorption]. Even though the mana gain from this talent isn't that significant (sometimes, it doesn't even proc during fights), it raises your survivability chances. So although having 10% more spirit is technically more DPS-beneficial if the fights didn't involve moving, having the opportunity to move and die less is a better trade off than having to constantly get in range of your target.

Thank you for the quick and thorough reply. I ran 5 tests of 3:00 minutes each for each gear set up and though it was by no means a true test since I had no raid buffs, no tott target, no free sunders...etc, I can loosely confirm that the under exp-cap setup did better DPS...which is exactly what you and your spreadsheet predicted.

According to MMO-Champion, the latest beta build updates Shamanistic Rage such that all of our Skills, Totems, and Offensive Spells now consume no mana for 15 Seconds - which is arguably superior in combination with Primal Wisdom than the WotLK implementation given that now, as long as you're not trying to heal, your Mana pool will not be consumed in the process of supercharging it when required at all.

Assuming the intended mana constraints on healers in Cat, this may make it an exceptional time to slip in a MW heal where needed in PvE instead of LB/LvB depending on the situation because nothing else you do while SR is up will consume your resources; which remain functionally infinite in comparison and would otherwise be wasted regeneration once full.

Given that it's a cast spell, and not channeled as I understand, early in SR being up seems like a really opportune time to slip a MW Healing Rain on the raid if that were needed despite it costing 46% base mana for example...

I disagree. The entire idea if slipping in an MW Healing Rain is specifically during Shamanistic Rage, which in the current beta should reduce the cost of every spell to 0, so mana is not an issue. That's why davek mentioned using it early in SR. Mana may be an issue, but it's much too soon to tell. Considering how fast shamans swing not to mention WF procs, Primal Wisdom should hopefully keep us mana efficient for all but the most mana intensive situations such as requiring Magma Totem and Fire Nova or in cases where you're forced to spam large heals.

Yeah, the uses of rapid rejuv greatly outweigh the uses of the normal 18sc rejuv. Honestly, nowadays i dont even bother switching it out. With 30% everything is such a joke that fights are only lasting 3 mins, seems pretty pointless.

I also read reports on AJ that the base damage of Arcane Shot has been halved (from say [RAP * 0.15 + 492] to [RAP * 0.15 + 246]) coefficients have not been changed. Also the Focus Cost has gone down from 50 to 25 Focus (without talents), with talents Arcane should be (Efficiency reducing the cost of arcane by 1/2/3 but Chimeras by 2/4/6) 22 focus.

I have also heard that the focusregen has gone up to around 5.125 - confirming the 5.25 calculated here.

Overall I believe this to be a good change, as it leaves Hunters in PVP to be able to "do more" while moving while still doing the "same damage" it did before, just with more globals (which wouldnt have been filled with anything else anyways due to pre-patch low focus regen).

I also read that Conc Shot has had its Cost removed but the cooldown put to 5 seconds - good change again in my opinion, as it leaves hunters the choice of either ranged snaring something or SS in PVP - if SS is even an option due to positioning and ranged zone.

Furthermore it seems that Expose Weakness has been removed from the SV tree, Careful Aim increases the Crit chance of SS, CbS and AS by 20/60% on targets at or above 60% health.

Interesting changes, especially with the increased Focus regeneration.

5% dps tax? Way bigger than that in its current implementation.

Surv Hunters and Frost mages bring replenishment, too.