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Old 07/31/10, 9:56 AM   #18361
Novar
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Malorne
an other thing I would like to add, unless something changed drastically, prot may be the way to go for dps as starting out. ATM I am getting much more burst, and it seems to be doing way more damage. The only time Ret rivals prot dps atm is when we have zealotry/wings popped. It's quite intersting. I was able to get a burst of about 30k as prot in 2 gcd's.
http://i32.tinypic.com/2n9di7l.png

You can see avenger's shield is broke at the moment, however just imagine that hitting 3 targets for 19k. Extremely overpowered at the moment, that paired with HoTR, seems to just almost instantly kill people. Video will be up soon!

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Old 07/31/10, 3:53 PM   #18362
Boomer111
 
Troll Hunter
 
Aegwynn
Gemming

Im a new feral druid kitty and was wondering because im under the hit/expertise cap since im in mostly blues if i should worry about hitting the armor pen cap first then worry about hit/exp after im close to or at the cap

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Old 07/31/10, 4:46 PM   #18363
Morghie
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
2 unholy DKs in a raid

A guildie mentioned that more then 1 unholy DK in a raid is a waste since only 1 ebon plague applies at a given time...
that true? ;-P

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Old 07/31/10, 9:21 PM   #18364
subisti
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Blackwing Lair
Clickers, I am a clicker and am having problems setting up my ui to look clean and useful and yet be able to have access to everything i need. Also im not sure what it is called but the little box that comes up when you mouseover something. Is there a way to move that? ill try to upload a pic , if i can figure it out lol
thanks

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Old 08/01/10, 3:20 AM   #18365
Eyezer
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
<HSM>
Arthas
So I'm not entirely sure if this goes here, but I'm going to ask anyway since it's very relevant to frost DPS. (I've searched btw)

I'm not sure if a patch made a lot of the macro discussion earlier in this thread irrelevant, or maybe I'm just mentally retarded. Whatever the case, when I macro:

#showtooltip Unbreakable Armor
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Unbreakable Armor

Blood tap goes off then Unbreakable Armor Consumes a Frost Rune, I'm guessing UA will consume a Frost Rune before it consumes a death rune.

I've tried putting "/stopcasting" in there but I get the same effect. I'm guessing this is suppose to happen? If so I just don't see how using the combo is really viable unless you ERW. Which is something I've been doing since I've began incorporating the combo into my rotation. However blowing ERW in the beginning seems unwise for long fights. (or most fights in general.)

any help is appreciated. =\

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Old 08/01/10, 4:22 AM   #18366
Terin
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Medivh
Hi, I'm actually new to this forum, though I've been coming to this site for a long time.

Anyways, I'll jump right into it. Now, because I'm not actually *in* the Beta, I'm having to go by what bits and pieces I can collect on my own, but if my calculating it right (which it may very well be using outdated numbers), I think a 2handed-Frost spec might actually be an extremely powerful DPS spec -- I daresay overpoweringly so.

WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie

Now, as I said, I've yet to try this in-game, so it's all just theory on my part, but the idea is that you would use IT and PS as the core of your damage, rather than the standard FU ability, with FS being your "big hitter". I'm actually using Unholy Presence in my theory, but it looks like the amount of RP you could generate and output directly into FS's could be mind boggling.

Of course, this is assuming all of my data's up-to-date, and that my math is right. But if it all holds true (which, being Beta, it's unlikely to make it to Live), Frost could be putting out some God-like numbers. I came to about 23.7k DPS, going by level 85 Ranks and Stats, wearing Sanctified Scourgelord (277), Shadowmourne, and generic Heroic-ICC25 Plate to fill out the off-set slots, using the Heroic Deathbringer's Will and Heroic Death's Verdict for trinkets.

Don't suppose anybody could test this, and see if it's working probably?

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Old 08/01/10, 4:36 AM   #18367
mikikas
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Bleeding Hollow
The macro should be used while your frost/unholy runes are on cd due to obliterates. For example you could use it after blowing your death runes on an oblit. There should be a point in your rotation where you have 3 oblits in a row using up all your runes at which point you would use the macro combined with a /cancelaura.(assuming GoD) Other opportunities in your rotation are discussed at length in this thread.

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Old 08/01/10, 8:59 AM   #18368
Eyezer
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
<HSM>
Arthas
Alright, then that just means my rotation is executed very sloppily. Thank you for the help.

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Old 08/01/10, 10:23 AM   #18369
Wolverin1988
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Mug'thol (EU)
mhm the survival tree is far away to call it finish

the most common thing, that in my eyes, has to be changed is sniper training... the hell .. we can't use Aimed Shot anymore...and ArS is linked with explo or am i wrong ?.... so they must remove or change this talent.. because standing still will be hard on bosses, pvp or pve ....to get a buff that only boosts Cobra/SS....

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Old 08/01/10, 11:01 AM   #18370
Halftonne
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Coilfang
I'm looking to gather some input from the community regarding several things for PvE in 3.3:

Speaking strictly from a Combat point of view, is the Shadowblade 4pc set bonus worthwhile?

Along with this, since 3.3 has added the ability for rupture ticks to crit is a low rupture/high rupture cycle considered the highest damage output?

Are rupture ticks counted as "physical" damage and are they effected by active armor penetration?

If the above is true, and their is no Major armor debuff available to your raid (Sunder Armor), should the rogue be using Expose Armor?

Another if: If the rogue should be using Expose Armor and Rupture in conjunction how is maximum uptime possible for EA, Rupture and SnD. Also at this point it seems to me that Eviscerate would be null as there would be no combo points to land an eviscerate (at least not many in a typical 5 minute encounter).

The reason that I am asking this is because I've seen many different viewpoints on the use of evis only vs low/high rupture.

Also, due to my position in my current progression guild I have access to a handful of different combat rogue gear:
Helms:
Sanctified Shadowblade Helmet [264]
Geistlord's Punishment Sac [264]

Shoulders:
Sanctified Shadowblade Pauldrons [264]

Leggings:
Sanctified Shadowblade Legplates [264]
Plague Soaked Leather Leggings [264]
Gangerous Leggings [264]
Bladeborn Leggings [264]

Gloves:
Aldriana's Gloves of Secrecy [264]
Sanctified Shadowblade Guantlets [264]

Chest:
Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder [264]
Sanctified Shadowblade Breastplate [264]

Boots:
Frostbitten Fur Boots [264]
Footpads of Impending Death [264]

Rings:
Seal of Many Mouth [264]
Ashen Band of Endless Vengeance [264]
Frostbrood Sapphire Ring [264]

Weapons:
Bloodvenom Blade [264]
Scourgeborne Waraxe [264]
Frost Giant's Cleaver [264]
Bone Warden's Splitter [264]

At this point in my theorycrafting career (I'm still new to this [less than 3 months]) I am not sure where to go next. I know to hit poison cap, then expertise cap then worry about other stats, but the thing is that this is possible with different gear, and it's a matter of figuring out which rotation is best based on which gear. Or should I just stack my ar pen as high as possible and evis only?

You can find my character and current gearing here: The World of Warcraft Armory - Halftonne @ Coilfang - Profile
Any help would be greatly appreciated, and feel free to private message me as well. Thanks in advance. Rogue Pride.

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Old 08/01/10, 12:32 PM   #18371
Smidjet
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Kirin Tor
i played with Grid on my shamman for an entire week. Never could figure it out. I Could not make it do anything usefull. So i just went back to good and trusty Healbot, which is a lot easyer to set up.

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Old 08/01/10, 1:15 PM   #18372
Bobfred21
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Lothar
Originally Posted by mikikas View Post
The macro should be used while your frost/unholy runes are on cd due to obliterates. For example you could use it after blowing your death runes on an oblit. There should be a point in your rotation where you have 3 oblits in a row using up all your runes at which point you would use the macro combined with a /cancelaura.(assuming GoD) Other opportunities in your rotation are discussed at length in this thread.
I personally find it better to execute it between Blood Runes so you avoid staggering your blood runes and maintain better uptime on it.

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Old 08/01/10, 1:33 PM   #18373
Luniz
 
Luniz's Avatar
 
Human Warrior
 
Kilrogg (EU)
I just recently got my druid to 80 and started gearing him up. But i cant decide which cloak i should take from EoF vendor.
I have 2 choises. Either [Sentinel's Winter Cloak] or [Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape]
Too me the dps one looks better. I gain more dodge from the agi, which also stacks with Kings so that cant be bad.
Also more offensive stats which will help with threat.
Sure you gain abit more armor and slightly more hp, but is it really worth it?

If anyone could be kind enough to explain to me why [Sentinel's Winter Cloak] seems to be the obvious choise for bears.

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Old 08/01/10, 4:59 PM   #18374
moowalk
Don Flamenco
 
Troll Priest
 
Khaz'goroth
I recently picked up a heroic DFO (for 15k in a gdkp run, ha). Is there anything I need to do to my rotation to maximise the benefit I get from it? There is some discussion earlier in this thread about delaying your initial starfall until you have 5 stacks. Apart from that, is it worth delaying starfall to coincide? What about your second treants?

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Old 08/01/10, 5:46 PM   #18375
Duckkie
 
Gnome Mage
 
Misha
Hey guys, I have a feral druid tank and I was wondering what I should do about gemming. So far I have been using straight Solids and Shifting Dreadstones in the red sockets.. But I see other good feral tanks in my guild that stack ARP gems, I was wondering with the 30% buff now in ICC would I get by with stacking ARP? Because sometimes I have to go Kitty. So my dps sucks if I'm using all stam gems, I guess if I'm using Stam gems is that for people that are tanking 100% of the time they are raiding? I just get confused what the best option would be for people that have to switch back and forth for tanking and dpsing.

My second question is I just got T10 shoulders, what is the best enchant for shoulders?

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