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Old 03/28/09, 1:09 AM   #3051
Etonlor
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Draenei Paladin
 
Uldaman
Fail troll is fail.
Bad troll is bad.
Successful troll is successful.
Epic troll is...EPIC!!!
[______] troll is [______].

I is dah troll. I hus no good point tuh make mon. I jus wans tuh troll yah, 'cause dat is wut I do, brahdah.
Yah no I wans mah banhammah 'cause I dun care much ah anyting.

Yah guys tink yah is good wit yah smart post en stuff. Bud I dun care bout wut yah tink bout teh trollin I be doin. Dunt feed dah troll mon, jus slam heem wit dah banhammah like yah be doin to dah people who actually hus sumtin good tuh say, but yah be hitten dem anyway 'cause dey say stuff yah heelbeelees dunt like.

plentee be dah good info en dah oder websites mon. wut forum be any good ef yah cant post reedundant stuff mon? wut forum be any fun ef yah cant troll ah leetle?

eef yah red all dat stuff mon, den yah jus gut troll'd. I dunt care wut yah do, just do wut yah guttuh do, yah faggy forum police.

I be rukin dah mmo-chumeeon forum nao, i sees yah dair wun i sees yah dair.

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Old 03/28/09, 1:52 AM   #3052
zarya
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Draenei Priest
 
Saurfang
quick question.

have you considered, the spirit nerf coming in with 3.1 or is all stats for pre 3.1

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Old 03/28/09, 4:46 AM   #3053
Zyreal
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Detheroc
Alright guys, I need some of your awesome advice, I'm currently rocking some pretty sweet gear (The World of Warcraft Armory) and I'm still pulling under par dps (5.9k avg) for what i believe i could be pulling with my gear. I'm 17/0/54 and I'm using the PS->IT->BSx2->SSx4 with RD in between the SS's. Any advice you guys can give me? gear? rotation? spec? anything at all? any and all advice would be GREATLY appreciated.

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Old 03/28/09, 5:00 AM   #3054
Foxx2405
Don Flamenco
 
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Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Moonglade (EU)
Originally Posted by Zyreal View Post
Alright guys, I need some of your awesome advice, I'm currently rocking some pretty sweet gear (The World of Warcraft Armory) and I'm still pulling under par dps (5.9k avg) for what i believe i could be pulling with my gear. I'm 17/0/54 and I'm using the PS->IT->BSx2->SSx4 with RD in between the SS's. Any advice you guys can give me? gear? rotation? spec? anything at all? any and all advice would be GREATLY appreciated.
1. Review some of your gems, i'm seeing str + hit gems when you're already waaay over the hitcap

2. Drop the grim toll trinket, its beyond awful for an unholy DK

3. Sigil of Awareness would help

4. I don't see how you think 5.9k dps is in any way bad dps... I'm not sure what you think good dk dps is, but unless you think those 1.5 minute patchwerk kills with 7k dps are standard numbers you're horribly wrong.

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Old 03/28/09, 5:34 AM   #3055
Zyreal
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Detheroc
Originally Posted by Foxx2405 View Post
1. Review some of your gems, i'm seeing str + hit gems when you're already waaay over the hitcap
i thought that hit cap for unholy DK's was 302? Am i incorrect? and the only reason im using Grim toll is b/c the fact that it gives me + 84 hit rating and allows me to gem out of +hit rating gems and into + str gems. FYI with my Betrayer im 18 expertise which i believe is the exact cap.

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Old 03/28/09, 5:58 AM   #3056
Devnex
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Zyreal View Post
i thought that hit cap for unholy DK's was 302? Am i incorrect? and the only reason im using Grim toll is b/c the fact that it gives me + 84 hit rating and allows me to gem out of +hit rating gems and into + str gems. FYI with my Betrayer im 18 expertise which i believe is the exact cap.
Melee hit cap is 263, spell hit cap is 289 assuming 3/3 virulence. Basically you're best off hitting the melee hit cap (263) and gemming pure strength from then on in.

If you want to see some dps improvement regem your gear and pick up better trinkets as soon as you can (greatness is an amazing dps increase and you can farm the materials for it outside of raids barring that mirror of truth is easy as heck to pick up and better than your current trinkets).

All of that having been said 5.9k on non gimmick fights is very good dps.

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Old 03/28/09, 5:58 AM   #3057
Zyreal
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Detheroc
WoW i didn't know whtat 263 was the cap... I am way over =/ o well i can fix that. However, i terms of the trinkets, what one (other than greatness which i am currently working for) would you guys recommend? Fury of 5? Mirror? or any others?

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Old 03/28/09, 6:00 AM   #3058
NeuroMedivh
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Human Death Knight
 
Greymane
The soft cap for a 2h DK is 8% hit, which is 262.

If you really want to maximize your DPS, drop the alchemy for Jewelcrafting. The ability to use prismatic gems to satisfy socket and meta requirements is amazing, and only requires 375 JC. You'd get an extra 33 Strength from the three Prismatics, plus you'd pick up another 16 strength (head, shoulders, belt) from socket bonuses, AND you could replace that Relentless Earthsiege Meta with a Chaotic Skyflare (which is far better for you).

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Old 03/28/09, 6:21 AM   #3059
Exoduz
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Undead Mage
 
Teldrassil (EU)
Hello, i have a simple question

can tailoring with the new enchant beat enchanting?

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Old 03/28/09, 7:43 AM   #3060
Sojik
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Human Mage
 
Dunemaul
Originally Posted by Exoduz View Post
Hello, i have a simple question

can tailoring with the new enchant beat enchanting?
Yes. It beats everything.

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Old 03/28/09, 7:49 AM   #3061
Buka
DJ Aduch
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Разувий (EU)
Originally Posted by Brgid View Post
Why should someone who has only been doing 25s, who hasn't progressed through 10-man content in the gear it's supposed to be designed for, get to 'go slumming' for a night and do the pinnacle of 10-man achievements? Why should that give you the right to do the tough 10-man achievements more easily than the people who have actually been running 10-mans?
Oh, noes, i can rush thought heroic's achievements in t7.25 gear, lets make it obtainable only for people in blues! And all MC/BWL/AQ40 achievements surely should be done only at lvl60!

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Old 03/28/09, 12:02 PM   #3062
bladecrusher
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Argent Dawn (EU)
Gear and Greatness question.

I was not sure whether to post here or in the 'in-depth arms discussion',anyways,I need some gear advice.
I am specing arms in 3.1 and as such with the new changes to armor penetration,stacking it will be a trend in arms.

The World of Warcraft Armory

I am replacing MoT with greatness,I am wondering whether to take the +90 Agility or +90 Strength version,
The obvious answer would be +90 Strength but as Ulduar gear has proven,stacking ArP will lower crit by a large margin.

My other question is whether there are any more BiS items I should aim for?
I have Legplates of Double Strikes waiting for 3.1.I am going to get Melancholy sabatons,Surge needle ring,Hopefully Favour of the dragonqueen and Envoy of mortality.
I believe there are still items however that could boost my raid performance?

Last edited by bladecrusher : 03/28/09 at 12:11 PM.

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Old 03/28/09, 12:05 PM   #3063
Injez
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Gnome Warlock
 
Король-лич (EU)
Originally Posted by Alghieri View Post
I just ran the same simulation 1,000,000 iterations and got similar results to you(simcraft r1955):

DPS Ranking:
 DPS Ranking:
  53389 100.0%  Raid
   6984  13.1%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18_DG
   6919  12.9%  Warlock_T8_00_40_31
   6705  12.5%  Warlock_T8_00_41_30
   6670  12.5%  Warlock_T8_53_00_18
   6612  12.4%  Warlock_T8_03_13_55
   6578  12.3%  Warlock_T8_00_28_43
   6572  12.3%  Warlock_T8_03_52_16
   6427  12.0%  Warlock_T8_00_56_15

Player=Warlock_T8_00_56_15  DPS=6427.4 (Error=+/-9.0 Range=+/-441)  DPR=18.4  RPS=350.0/278.0  (mana)
  Core Stats:  strength=54  agility=55  stamina=1129  intellect=930  spirit=489  health=19315  mana=21572
  Spell Stats:  power=2054  hit=14.2%  crit=12.8%  penetration=0  haste=19.7%  mp5=0
  Attack Stats:  power=44  hit=11.4%  crit=8.5%  expertise=0.0  penetration=0.0  haste=19.7%
Does simulation tool count increasing crit rating from talents (+10%)? Unbuffed 12.8 crit - not in this build, too low.
SPD 2054 is unbuffed, i think. Because it is SPD which we already have without t8, unbuffed.
Does simulator count DPS increasing from raid-buffs to FG? +550 AP is very big DPS increasing.

Sorry for my terrible english, but i should know it.
Because, if this build (0/56/15) would be so weak in 3.1, then I need to get used to the new build already now.
And i don't like 0/41/30, it is too simple and not interesting...
So, my last hope is "maybe they aren't calculated some buffs, or damage increasing from meta..."

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Old 03/28/09, 1:19 PM   #3064
Hellfrog
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Krag'jin (EU)
Originally Posted by Injez View Post
Does simulation tool count increasing crit rating from talents (+10%)? Unbuffed 12.8 crit - not in this build, too low.
SPD 2054 is unbuffed, i think. Because it is SPD which we already have without t8, unbuffed.
Does simulator count DPS increasing from raid-buffs to FG? +550 AP is very big DPS increasing.

Sorry for my terrible english, but i should know it.
Because, if this build (0/56/15) would be so weak in 3.1, then I need to get used to the new build already now.
And i don't like 0/41/30, it is too simple and not interesting...
So, my last hope is "maybe they aren't calculated some buffs, or damage increasing from meta..."
And what about Firestone and Spellstone? Does the tool consider that? Even if the tool considers everything in the talents, it still has to make Fire/Spellstone on the weapon.

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Old 03/28/09, 1:26 PM   #3065
afxwinter
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Laughing Skull
I recently switched to a 21/50 build and have been working on some rotations that were recommended to me by another guild DK.
I know that my gear is absolutely terrible but I've been told in a few raids that I'm still not performing up to my potential. For 25-man OS I averaged 2k dps, while I was told even with my gear I should be closer to 3k. I'm always in blood stance.

My rotation for multiple pulls is as follow:
IT - PS - Pest - HB - FS(until I've drained my runic power)

My rotation for single mobs and bosses is:
IT - PS - BS - BS - OB - FS(until I've drained my runic power)

Could you please suggest where I might be losing so much dps? I was pretty surprised when I was told 2k dps wasn't acceptable for a DK with my build and gear. Thanks in advance!

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Old 03/28/09, 1:38 PM   #3066
Goatsey
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Warrior
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Strength is still the number 1 stat for arms. If I remember correctly crit is still better than armor pen up to 50% buffed crit then armor pen wins out.

Simple answer, take the strength card it will be much much better than the agility one. Considering they want arms to be going with plate gear aswell there may be changes to the tree yet to come to increase strength value more than 4% covered by Strength of Arms.

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Old 03/28/09, 1:42 PM   #3067
Warlocomotif
Don Flamenco
 
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Human Warlock
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Yes they consider both of those. What you're looking at is purely the stats from gear.

The mind is like a parachute. It works best when it's open.

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Old 03/28/09, 2:06 PM   #3068
Lollersk8er
Piston Honda
 
Human Death Knight
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by afxwinter View Post
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You run around with green items and you wonder why you do low dps? Are you serious? Isn't that quite obvious?
Get some epics and read the threads here. The first page contains everything you need.
Why am I so sure, that you won't follow that advice?

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Old 03/28/09, 3:21 PM   #3069
afxwinter
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Hunter
 
Laughing Skull
Originally Posted by Lollersk8er View Post
You run around with green items and you wonder why you do low dps? Are you serious? Isn't that quite obvious?
Get some epics and read the threads here. The first page contains everything you need.
Why am I so sure, that you won't follow that advice?
That attitude is a little much don't you think? If you'd read my post you would've noticed that I am fully aware that my gear is quite bad. I only started questioning my own gear to DPS ratio when a few other players had told me that even with my CURRENT gear I should be doing more DPS. I have read up on rotations and specs but haven't seen pertinent information on what an acceptable DPS for someone with gear like mine should be. It should be fairly obvious that I would like to make sure I'm not forming bad habits in my rotations or leaving any integral aspects out during the process of 'getting some epics' and 'reading some threads here'.

Now... why am I so sure you'll take a less than constructive stance on my issue should you decide to post again?

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Old 03/28/09, 3:35 PM   #3070
BONESHAKER
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Tauren Warlock
 
Aggramar
good info.

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Old 03/28/09, 4:35 PM   #3071
anastasios
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Human Paladin
 
Nagrand (EU)
What is the best spell rotation for destruction build (max raid dps) with the changes from patch 3.1 (no molten core in destruction tree any more …) please ???

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Old 03/28/09, 6:30 PM   #3072
Systema Sephirothicum
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Worgen Warrior
 
Neptulon (EU)
Good evening all.I tried using the search function but couldnt get any results of value on the following subject:Will arms or fury be better in 3.1?From what I have seen,looks like arms will take a lead with the current gear but once we can get enough of the ulduar gear(more value on str than ap which is needed for better scaling with the 20% of imp berserker stance) could possibly pull off ahead.Can someone clarify this please(any values to boost the claim would be much valued)Thanks in advance for your help.

Blood is red and bruises are blue..

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Old 03/28/09, 6:36 PM   #3073
iwx
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Undead Rogue
 
Archimonde
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3241/...2809142737.jpg

This is my current UI. It probably won't be in a week because I can never just stick with a setup (haven't quite found how I want it yet).

Addons:
AG unit frames - player / target
Grid - raid UF
Bartender4 - action bars
kgPanels - panels beneath action bars/chat
Chinchilla - minimap
SCT - scrolling combat text (top left and top right)
SCTd - scrolling combat text, but for my damage output (top center)
Elkano's Buff Bars - for buffs (top right) and temporary self-cast buffs (see left-center)
OmniCC - trinket/ability cool downs
IceHUD - energy/health info (center screen)

I can't really think of anything else I have that isn't on the list. I am trying to make my UI more minimal (as I'm a minimalist at heart, tbh) but as of yet haven't been able to make a good layout for it.

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Old 03/28/09, 9:51 PM   #3074
Mooffin
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Greymane
Tricks is great to use

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Old 03/28/09, 10:28 PM   #3075
Mooffin
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Greymane
I use...Mutilate, SnD, Mutilatex2, HFB, Rupture, repeat but the SnD is replaced with Eviscerete....

Someone pls explain why Envenom is better for DPS please

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