Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1232

B2R · 08/09/10, 5:48 AM

Recently made a post on beta forums about concerns for prot paladins. Feel free to comment it there World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Beta - (English) Forums -> Paladins: Protection tree concerns

Taowth · 08/09/10, 6:04 AM

Copied post removed, that reply was only directed at rouncer's comment there which stemmed from the PvE discussion of 100% ed up time. Doesn't need its own place here.

[ Duracell-] · 08/09/10, 7:36 AM

Originally Posted by B2R

Grand Crusader - too powerful and rng talent atm. With current damage and silence effect of Avengers Shield, this talent better to be something like "When your Crusader Strike or Hammer of the Righteous deals damage, it has a 100% chance of reducing the cooldown on your next Avenger's Shield by 2 seconds". P.S. i`m already thinking in this talent that CS and HotR on shared cooldown.

I think it's fine how it is, and GC is even stating that Avenger's Shield hits really hard in Cata. Gives us something else to watch out for besides CDs.

Originally Posted by B2R

Holy Shield - if it is exclusive with Inquisition, i`ve got one idea. Why not to make it "Consumes Holy Power to grant 5% block per stack of Holy Power and increasing damage of Shield of the Righteous by 30% (probably less) per stack . Lasts 30 sec". Why this variant is better that others? With this change Prot paladins finally will be able to use holy power for World of Glory heal (because atm Prot paladins are the only one tanks, who is not able to selfheal for pretty nice amount). P.S. If current system will stay, 1 miss of ShoR and we`re gonna loose our block chance for next 12 seconds. That`s another one reason why this variant is better.

I would have it refresh on ShoR than have something else to worry about in my rotation (if it is getting pretty complex). Losing 15% block for 12s isn't going to kill you, and GC did want us to choose between mitigation and healing ourselves.

Originally Posted by B2R

Hallowed Ground - I think that making Consecration 30s cooldown was a mistake. It`s not a button, able to hold AoE packs. It was more like "a bit aggro for not killing my healers before i`ll take this monster". And probably talent can be way more fun. For example, paladin can benefit from standing inside Consecration (5% block or some kind of another small bonus). GC even said that they`re moving out Holy Wrath from Prot paladins rotation, so some kind of AoE aggro with cooldown about 10 seconds fill this niche pretty nice.

We're still able to use Holy Wrath when we need to. It would be nice for a bit of snap threat for incoming adds if Avenger's Shield is on CD, then use Consecrate to keep them on us. We're going to have to work harder than we're used to for AoE packs come Cata, anyways.

Originally Posted by B2R

Shield of the Righteous - just remove benefit from Holy Power. For not making it a clone of Shield Slam, it can increase damage done by Judgment on this target by 5% per stack, 3 stacks maximum.

I don't see why it needs to change to not benefit from Holy Power, especially when you're replacing it with something that feels similar to the last one, except you're making one of our weakest spells a tad bit stronger.

Topinambour · 08/09/10, 11:55 AM

I know it's a thousand-times question but, as an arcane with an average stuff, which enchant is better between black magic and +63 sp ? ( and can you explain why, in terms of EP if you want )

And also, if any pvp-boy comes by, do you know between the two above which one is better ? ( i have +haste stuff )

thanks a lot !

fengc817 · 08/09/10, 4:56 PM

mage pvp questions:

1) why do you need haste for arcane spec? I find myself using all the instants and not really casting anything.
the common 60/0/11 seems to waste 10points in frost just to get icy veins, why not instant pyro/impact/burning deter./etc.?

2) currently double arcane mage 2v2, would arcane/fire be better? (not considering frost/frost atm)

please consider my background info before answering my questions:
- only concerns 2v2 with mage/mage
- currently 1k rating 21-8 rec
- 5.7gs pvp gear
- alliance

THANKS!!

pbstar1128 · 08/09/10, 6:41 PM

As Fire does it really matter what talents u spent your first 5 point on in arcane tier 1?

Ezro · 08/09/10, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by blitzseed

Aliena's UI .

Tyvm

Nimiks · 08/10/10, 1:20 AM

The key saves your ass when you need it. Proc trinkets for tanking suck imo, 4T10 + key is an amazing survival CD

seemore · 08/10/10, 8:41 AM

@ those who have the beta: Are the stats on Deathbringer's Will already changed and to what? And where does it rate in the following list based on that change?

What is the general trinket ranking?
Tiny Abomination in a Jar(Heroic)>Tiny Abomination in a Jar>Sharpened Twilight Scale (heroic)>Death's Choice (heroic)>Whispering Fanged Skull (heroic)>Death's Choice>Sharpened Twilight Scale>Whispering Fanged Skull>Herkuml War Token>Deathbringer's Will(heroic)>Deathbringer's Will>DMC:Greatness (Strength)>Needle-Encrusted Scorpion>Banner of Victory

Innulock · 08/10/10, 11:55 AM

Nice ideas about PvP there, as an unexperienced pvper I hadn't seen the potential there yet.

Still, I fear Blizz is gonna see SoulSwap as their fix for affliction burst and I don't feel it is gonna help me as much as they think it will help me. Anyway, we'll have to wait to see then numbers in action and maybe we will see some more burst potential in the Soul Burn options for affliction.

Talking about Soul Burn: Soulburn : Seed of Corruption Holy cow, that looks very, very nice. Let's hope they don't change too much about it

Devanthor · 08/10/10, 3:02 PM

Hey,

is there a bug on Arms Spreadsheet?
With arms spec and gear..it shows me a dps of 4k ???

seoni · 08/10/10, 6:15 PM

hello my mage is still in the gearing up stages but i was wondering if as fire should i go for ToTW build or stick with Frost fire till i get hit cap without talents.

atm my hit percent is 14% after racial and hit rating.

here is the link to my mage

The World of Warcraft Armory - Zeph�e @ Feathermoon - Profile

any tips would be much appreciated

Diagoneer · 08/11/10, 12:53 AM

Hey, First off thank you for the great post, it helped me a lot.
Second, I have few questions and inquiries hope you'd have the time to help me with them

That's my armory link :-
The World of Warcraft Armory - Diagoneer @ Blade's Edge - Profile

1-Which is better "Spellstone" or "Firestone" , I'm nearly 1000 haste ?

2-Though I have a not bad gear, I always feel my dps isn't high enough, I'm following the rotation... etc but no use, still kinda low, any recommendations ?

3-I tried using macros for "SB, pet attack, Demonic Empowerment" together, and the result was some drop in dps.

4- Any recommendation or advice I should follow to enhance my performance concerning "Gear. Stats, Build" ?

Thanks so much, and sorry for taking long.

lui11 · 08/11/10, 2:14 AM

I was using my own tree , then i switch to the tree in this trade...Since...My dps -censored- a lot...Do you have any idea, why? i supposed that was hit cap, but i have 8.....%, i'm Dranei, so if i don't say an error i'm hit capped...we do icc hc...but with a dps so low...i can't continue, any adivice will be welcome, thanks...

Ozi tree The World of Warcraft Armory - Ozimandia @ Darkmoon Faire - Profile

ps: i don't know if we are allowed to ask thooose thing or link our armory, if i do any stupid things, forgive me and delete this trade

Innulock · 08/11/10, 2:31 AM

1-Which is better "Spellstone" or "Firestone" , I'm nearly 1000 haste ?

Spellstone for demonology, always. Simulationcraft says so, even for haste levels much higher than yours.

2-Though I have a not bad gear, I always feel my dps isn't high enough, I'm following the rotation... etc but no use, still kinda low, any recommendations ?

First, make sure you really know the correct rotation, it's in the OP so I won't repeat it here. As demo the most important part of the fight is <35% when you spam soul fire. Make sure you have a meta-cd left for this phase and time your trinkets so you can use them during this part of the fight.

Other then this, well geared locks have high haste these days, meaning that you have to cast fast to get everything out of your character, latency and 'slow player syndrome' are a common way to loose alot of dps. Anything to lower your latency can help, and training a bit on the practice dummies never hurt anyone (exept the dummies)

3-I tried using macros for "SB, pet attack, Demonic Empowerment" together, and the result was some drop in dps.

The macro should look somethink like this:

#showtooltip SPELLNAME
/run SetCVar("Sound_EnableSFX","0")
/petattack
/cast Demonic Empowerment
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/run SetCVar("Sound_EnableSFX","1")
/cast SPELLNAME

Remember to use it with SB, incinerate, soulfire and, if you like, even your immolate and corruption. If this is a dps decrease you're just doing something wrong, since it casts spells just like you would without the macro.

4- Any recommendation or advice I should follow to enhance my performance concerning "Gear. Stats, Build" ?

Spec looks good. I'd recommend getting rid of that pvp trinket, even the frost emblem trinkets are better than that one. (I'm not sure if you use it in your dps spec, it was equippen when i checked armory)