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Old 08/21/10, 3:22 PM   #18646
senraven
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Blade's Edge
what are people's thoughts on the new beta changes that showed up yesterday? no more soul link - replaced with Demonic Rebirth (you get 10 seconds to summon your pet if it dies in combat for 50/100% reduced cast time) and Demonic Aegis changed to only effect healing from Demonic and Fel Armors.

And for all their talk of wanting to get rid of boring +stat talents, we still have Demonic Embrace sitting there

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Old 08/21/10, 10:36 PM   #18647
Umah
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Rajaxx (EU)
what about switching the weapon to get BM on cooldown => switch to Mongoose Weapon, if BM is off ICD => Switch back to BM weapon? Too much of white swing loss?

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Old 08/22/10, 6:48 AM   #18648
Dastey
Von Kaiser
 
Worgen Warlock
 
Neptulon (EU)
Originally Posted by senraven View Post
what are people's thoughts on the new beta changes that showed up yesterday? no more soul link - replaced with Demonic Rebirth (you get 10 seconds to summon your pet if it dies in combat for 50/100% reduced cast time) and Demonic Aegis changed to only effect healing from Demonic and Fel Armors.

And for all their talk of wanting to get rid of boring +stat talents, we still have Demonic Embrace sitting there
Soul Link is now a trained ability which I think is good, 20% reduced damage taken will be quite usefull for all speccs.
Demonic rebirth is, well another version of our current almost instant summon pet, and imo I like that talent that if your pet dies you can ress it fast and I really think its needed.
I dont expect the Demonic Aegis change to have any real affect. Sure we dont get the bonus spellpower anymore but since spirit is being changed more to a mana regen stat I don't expect us to really have any of it besides our base stat (however I don't know if its only druids, shamans and priests that gets hit from spirit).

On another note I like the changes to increase the range of our spells, gives us some more options where to place us and should work great with our teleport.

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Old 08/22/10, 11:02 AM   #18649
Ripebear1
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by Gorbard View Post
I've run a few simulations with Kahories, and i wanted to know if 2h Frost with SM is an viable option. The results were disapointing for me. Compared with Bloodvenom Blade(277) / Havocs Call(271) combo the dps was about 600 lower.

My talentconfig were 10/51/10 and the modified dw cookiecutter 2/51/18.

And then i feed kahories with my unholy spec and i looked like Oo. 17700 DPS. Frost 2h was 16377 and frost dw was 17100 dps.

As far as i remember frost was since a few patches the highest DPS Spec and unholy the support spec with moderate dps.

Am i missing something?
Before the last patch, Unholy was the highest DPS regardless. Now, pre-shadowmourne Frost DW is hands down the best single target DPS, post shadowmourne it's fight dependant. Looking at WoL the only fight I see Unholy shadowmourne really outdoing Frost is Halion (Which data isn't going to be very accurate considering how long it's been out), most ICC fights they are about equal, more often that not Frost is slightly ahead.

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Old 08/22/10, 3:39 PM   #18650
Feanorr
Von Kaiser
 
Goblin Death Knight
 
Les Sentinelles (EU)
Originally Posted by Gorbard View Post
I've run a few simulations with Kahories, and i wanted to know if 2h Frost with SM is an viable option. The results were disapointing for me. Compared with Bloodvenom Blade(277) / Havocs Call(271) combo the dps was about 600 lower.

My talentconfig were 10/51/10 and the modified dw cookiecutter 2/51/18.

And then i feed kahories with my unholy spec and i looked like Oo. 17700 DPS. Frost 2h was 16377 and frost dw was 17100 dps.

As far as i remember frost was since a few patches the highest DPS Spec and unholy the support spec with moderate dps.

Am i missing something?
You are comparing a 284 (legendary) weapon with a 277 and 271; of course SM will win. Compare it with 2 284 and frost should come ahead or at least similar (like ripebear said, depending on fight). The fact that frost is equivalent or even better than a spec with SM with same level weapon is already a bit disapointing (it's suposed to be a legendary weapon), you cant expect to beat it with some weapon 1 or 2 level behind.

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Old 08/22/10, 3:40 PM   #18651
baneat
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Aszune (EU)
I have a question: Just how accurate is rawr supposed to be for retri?

I set the parameters and buffs identical to the fight (3 minute test on a heroic dummy from behind with only selfbuffs etc etc) and went through with it. Twice. I followed the FCFS I set in rawr exactly. Every setting was checked and made as close to the real fight as possible.

Recount returned with 5K dps on both tries.
Rawr said I should be getting 6.3

I'm willing to accept deviations of 5% or so but that's over 20% off!

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Old 08/22/10, 4:54 PM   #18652
Mercous
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Magtheridon
can someone link the best pve fury warrior build please.

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Old 08/22/10, 5:34 PM   #18653
ThunderBolt101
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Eonar (EU)
hi

my death knight is only lvl 68 atm, i am trying to lvl tank, i am having trouble holding aggro in instances, can anyone recommend a tanking spec for me? and a rotation?

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Old 08/22/10, 7:51 PM   #18654
Sky_Paladin
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Nagrand
Holy Power is behaving strangely since the last download (I think 21 August).

Hammer of the Righteous does NOT yield holy power (but the buff appears and the tooltip says it should).
Crusader Strike yields 1 Holy Power (but does not appear as a buff or increment the buff if is pre-existing).
Shield of the Righteous consumes all Holy Power but does not remove the Holy Power buff icon.

In short, it's bugged - the Holy Power buff isn't being added/removed as you would expect from the tooltips.

The Holy Power meter has now been implemented - it's the rune-covered dangly thing hanging underneath your character profile. This is broken too.

Additionally, Holy Wrath currently has a 15 second cooldown, and with the Glyph of Holy Wrath, that's reduced to 0 seconds, so you can happily spam Holy Wrath every gcd. Since it's probably higher damage than all of your other abilities except Avenger's Shield, there's no reason not to.

Last edited by Sky_Paladin : 08/22/10 at 9:07 PM.

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Old 08/22/10, 11:50 PM   #18655
Reglamation
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Greymane
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Old 08/23/10, 1:22 AM   #18656
dundermuffin
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Frostmane
Originally Posted by Umah View Post
what about switching the weapon to get BM on cooldown => switch to Mongoose Weapon, if BM is off ICD => Switch back to BM weapon? Too much of white swing loss?
Whenever a weapon with a proccable enchant is equipped, the timer on the ICD resets itself...weapon swapping for enchanting won't work. And even if it did, the white swing loss would be way too big to make it worthwhile anyway.

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Old 08/23/10, 5:45 AM   #18657
Talep
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Medivh (EU)
No, I tried and I can tell you that you can proc BM within 5 seconds when weapon swapping ( I tried with berserk, but i guess it's the same thing for mongoose ). And I didn't notice any important loss of swings, I would wait for calculus that can decide, and try to switch in a raid situation

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Old 08/23/10, 8:47 AM   #18658
Jerseygoil
 
Tauren Druid
 
Dawnbringer
FF as a threat generator

All you have to see how well FF does as a threat generator is to take your bear to go one on one with a Boneguard commander without being mounted. The FF will pull him back to you without him running away to get a charge on you. it has allowed me to solo a single commander if unhorsed when no other toon I have heard of or seen has that capability.

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Old 08/23/10, 10:34 AM   #18659
altreoh
 
Human Death Knight
 
Lightbringer (EU)
hello everyone!

70 pages to read are no easy task but I’m doing my best… Still there’s something I don’t understand.
Last night Toc10 me and another frost dk, both dpsing. Same talents and with a slighty better gear I did 4.5k and he did like 7.2k!!

I understand the big deal is understanding fight/spells mechanics… Following the main post I’m doing something like that (on single target)
1) Start with Icy Touch -> Frost fever till it expires. Hence and repeat
2) Plague Strike - > Blood Plague till it expires. Hence and repeat
3) Obliterate
4) if Killing Machine procs -> Frost Strike
5) Blood Strike
6) if Killing Machine procs -> Frost Strike
7) Frost Strike
8) Horn of Winter

Question. Rime is a buff? How can I track it? Cause I don’t see it anywhere.
Howling blast? I don’t understand where to place it in that “rotation”

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Old 08/23/10, 1:01 PM   #18660
Noxxi
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Dragonblight (EU)
hey all, bit new here so forgive me if i phrase this badly.
Im a little unusual in that i am a BM raider, i know its not putting out as high dps as MM and surv, but its my favourite spec, my own private little happy place. To be fair i have no issues with my dps, its actually very competitive with all the others im raiding with. However i do like to be the very best BM hunter that i can be But i'm a bit confused as to which pet would really be the best dps wise, i've had a wolf for quite a long time now, however i've read in a few different places that devilsaurs can be better (with high gear levels) and in the best possible dps spreadsheet thread thats running here it lists a raptor. i've tried my own comparisons with dummies with all 3 pets and the wolf is still leading the pack. So am i just reading old info that devilsaurs and raptors can do better dps than a wolf for a BM hunter or is this still the case and ive just had some bad luck with procs and my testing?

any assistance would be most appreciated

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