Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1257

darkInertia · 09/10/10, 3:17 PM

Am I correct in thinking that to pick up all the core, mandatory dps talents in enh tree, we will need to spend 35 points:
WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie whereas elemental only needs to spend 31 in their tree: WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie

AmbroTH · 09/10/10, 4:29 PM

Hello, I have an idea about cataclysm talents and rotation.
Since Fire Nova can only be used with magma or flametongue totem, blizzard wants us to stop using it on single target.
But i have a solution how to use it on single target without losing dps from searing flames. Excuse my English but you should understand what i mean.

Talent Build: Cataclysm Talent Calculator
Fight: you start with searing totem, letting it stack flames to 5 (10 sec) meanwhile you use normally stormstrike, msw5 LB etc, at the start you use unleash elements but dont use Flame Shock (if the dot consumes the buff), use Earth Shock (you can even use lava lash, because it does not consume dots with this build).
Then number of stacks reaches 5 and you can put your magma totem in play, after placing magma you immediately use Fire Nova (to consume unleash buff), wait for 6 sec and use fire nova again, then wait few sec (use other spells) and use searing totem to refresh stacks. (meanwhile you normally use stormstrike, LL and msw5 LB etc.) When your searing totem strikes (2 sec after it is placed) it refreshes stacks and you can place your magma totem again to allow fire nova to be used. Second unleash elements should be casted just between second fire nova and refreshing stacks. Then you can magma totem+ fire nova once again. You have to use your searing totem more like 3 sec before stacks are about to expire, with 2sec cast of the fireball and the time for fireball to reach the target, 3 sec is more safe. Ofc you have to be spell hit capped so totem does not miss.

Question you will ask is about mana. I know about it but i believe it should be ok. With primal wisdom and lots of haste, you will get most of mana back, using LB only when msw reaches 5 stacks to cost no mana and wisely using shamanistic rage (before first magma totem so it is active during first magma totem, fire nova, second fire nova, placing searing totem to refresh and second magma totem for next turn), in raid with replenishment you will have enough mana.

Another question is increased damage of lava lash consuming stacks. I calculated it and with lava lash increased by 30% + 20% for each stack, damage is not that good as with using unbuffed lava lash combined with fire nova and searing totem 5 stack dot.

What do u think?

kno499 · 09/10/10, 5:27 PM

I utilize 6/14/51 spc taking full iaoth, and 1 focus fire, and foregoing aimed shot, i know that aimed shot hits harder, but for hitting harder i think multi balances out the difference where i can hit more than one target ex saurfang, I also know that it can screw me in a situation like blood princes where i have to be careful not to hit the purple orbs on the offtank. When i use this spc in the spreadsheet it shows me having a significantly higher dps than the standard 0/15/56 and slightly higher dps than the 5/15/51 thats is listed in the spreadsheet. I like to think im a good hunter, and by all hunters ive had the opportunity to raid with i rarely get outdps'd so that tends to rienforce my belief that im doing the right thing, that however doesnt make me right, i deal blackjack and see people do stupid things all that time and i feel sad when it works cause its just rienforcing ignorance or stupidy. Im not the best at all the intense math behind this hunter stuff, i tend to just follow what people are doing and moving pts and gear around in the spreadsheet. however recently i applied to a higher end guild who told me I should change it. Im not against doing so I would just like to know specifically why what im doing isnt correct, and a very detailed explanation of how and why the common spc is superior to what ive been utilizing. My server is kinda weak as far as raiding goes so I may not have real good hunters to compare myself against, but i often find myself outdps'ing hunters with gs scores 100-200 pts higher than me.

Mirlina · 09/10/10, 10:23 PM

Brilliant

I applaud and thank your efforts in doing this!

adder4321 · 09/10/10, 10:23 PM

I am an arcane mage with 2k spell power and 650 hit rating. have been told this is dumb. why is it dumb and what should i do to fix it if it is dumb.

thx

Enilix · 09/11/10, 9:56 AM

Really glad they dropped Imp. CH - the tree is starting to feel much more polished.

Playing with specs this morning, WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie looks like a decent starting place (though I just woke up and may have missed something silly). It takes 2/2 Healing Rains and 3/3 Nature's Blessing, as my healing role in my guild is entirely dependent on who is available for a certain raid night. The spare 3 points could either be used for filling up Tidal Focus and 2/2 Totemic Focus, depending on how mana efficiency ends up being, or could go over into 3/3 Acuity (especially later on as gear improves).

I haven't seen any numbers regarding mana return from Telluric Currents, and while I like the idea, it doesn't seem to be worth 2 talent points at this stage of the game - perhaps later on when gear improves. I'm also unsure of the need for 2 points in Cleansing Waters, but I expect that should be quite useful, so I put the points in for now, especially since it got such a large boost in base healing.

Then again, it may still be too early to play with talent specs.. but I suspect this tree is fairly close to the one that will go live.

Elimbras · 09/11/10, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Logix

What could be the possible reasons why they can't just solve this issue with a simple spell. Something that is the antithesis of Arcane Blast. It doesn't even have to be very complicated, even something along the lines of a spell that has a cast time, doesn't do much damage but buffs the mana regeneration gained from Mage Armor by 300% (and stacks) for say, 6 seconds, or something. That alone would add so much more 'dynamic play' to the spec. In essence, it can be the complete opposite in function to Arcane blast.

That's called a wand ?

Logix · 09/11/10, 3:21 PM

Originally Posted by Elimbras

That's called a wand ?

How do wands in Cataclyms increase your mana regen by an alarming rate?

Or are you just being facetious?

Regulator27 · 09/11/10, 4:19 PM

thanks ill check them out.

4r7w0rk · 09/11/10, 10:25 PM

Hello Landsoul I try to have the stuff the most optimistic no shadowmourne, weapon 284 and 284 stuff so full stuff ICC 277 25 MH.

I made a screenshoot, can you tell me if this is good? if there is something to improve?

thanks, and sorry for my low english :s

Saetan85 · 09/11/10, 11:11 PM

Nevermind.

ses588 · 09/12/10, 2:15 AM

I would have a question... is there a haste cap , can I have too much haste?

this is my setup:

wep: H bryntroll
neck: H collar of haughty disdain
4 pc t10 ( 264)
winding sheet
H polar bear claw bracers (277)
rings: H skeleton lord's circle and agi ashen verdict ring
boots: H bone drake's enameled boots
malevolent girdle
libram of three truths
fleshrending gauntlets
TAJ and death's verdict

gems: 20 str everywhere and a nightmare tear, 21 agi meta.

P.S. : sorry if i didnt include clickable links of the gear, i just dont know how

tatsujin · 09/12/10, 4:54 AM

Originally Posted by tatsujin

I have an error on the spreadsheet. I'm a first time user and I'm not a math-person to edit or correct errors around. On the Intro page, I followed the very first two steps which is to enable macros and to set the Maximum Iterations to at least 100 and Maximum Change to 0.00001. I'm using Excel 07 and the spreadsheet is also for 07.

The error I get on the top left corner in Fury is DPS Metric: #DIV/0!. So I guess it's calculating things wrong? I don't understand. Even downloading a new spreadsheet and only enabling the macros won't change it.

Quoting myself again. How do you get it to work?

Narim · 09/12/10, 7:45 AM

Hello, new guy here. A few days ago was here excellent topic about holy paladins in WotLK, but now it is gone. Anyone knows why? It was kept up to date and according to my opinion it was almost a masterpiece. Is there any other website where could I find this topic?

Blutelf · 09/12/10, 8:05 AM

It's still here. Holy Paladin Compendium for 3.3
The standard board settings apparently only show threads with posts from the last month now which doubtlessly confused a lot of people.