Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1268

Veramesh7 · 09/25/10, 10:50 AM

If your going ret for PvP, what's the best 2h you should be using? are there any PvP 2 handrs out there?

Veramesh7 · 09/25/10, 10:54 AM

Over 90% of the storyline for Wrath of The Lich King, was in Warcraft 3 expansion pack, the frozen throne.

baracas · 09/25/10, 2:23 PM

Is reforging crit into mastery going to be viable. With illumination gone and all.

Sadirin · 09/25/10, 4:47 PM

New build

* Pulverize base additional damage increased by 66%.
* Fury Swipes - When you auto-attack while in Cat form or Bear form, you have a 5/10/15% chance to cause a Fury
Swipe dealing 200% weapon damage. This effect cannot occur more than once every 3 sec. / 5 yd range, Instant

Fury Swipes now seems barely useful - and the changes to Pulverize could mean that you want to use it every 3 lacerates

keygy · 09/25/10, 5:35 PM

anyone knows any type of spreedsheet or some programe like Rawr, with the change of hunter mechanics implemented?

Zdechlak · 09/25/10, 6:18 PM

OK smar asses - i have a riddle for U

I made some calculations about mage arcane rotation.

It is callculation 20 haste gem vs 23 spell power gem

SP = 3000
Haste = 0

Arcane Blast (AB)- Spell Power Coefficient = 80.43%
Dmg na lvl 4 = 1185 - 1377 ~ 1281+3000*0,8043 = 3693,9

Arcane Missiles (AM) - Spell Power Coefficient = 187.86%
Dmg na lvl 13 = 1800+3000*1,8786 = 7435,8

Arcane Barrage (ABar)- Spell Power Coefficient = 71.43%
Dmg na lvl 3 = 936 - 1144 ~ 1040+3000*0,7143 = 3182,9

SPELL POWER +23

Missile barrage activates (chance: 87,04%)
3693,9+3693,9*1,15+3693,9*1,3+3693,9*1,45+7435,8*1,6= 29997,39 dmg
DPS:
29997,39 / 12,5s = 2399,7912

After adding SP+23 dmgs: AB=3712,3989 AM=7479,0078
3712,3989 +3712,3989 *1,15+3712,3989 *1,3+3712,3989 *1,45+7479,0078*1,6= 30157,1671 dmg
DPS:
30157,1671 / 12,5s = 2412,57337

Missile barrage dont activates (chance: 12,96%)
3693,9+3693,9*1,15+3693,9*1,3+3693,9*1,45+3182,9*1,6= 23192,75 dmg
DPS:
23192,75 / 11s = 2108,43182 (Rotation time = 10s + 1s for global cooldown after instant)

After adding SP+23 dmgs: AB=3712,3989 ABar=3199,3289
3712,3989+3712,3989*1,15+3712,3989*1,3+3712,3989*1,45+3 199,3289*1,6= 23309,6809 dmg
DPS:
23309,6809 / 11s = 2119,0619

average dps w/o SP:
(2399,7912*0,8704)+(2108,43182*0,1296)=2362,03102

average dps w/ 23 SP:
(2412,57337*0,8704)+(2119,0619*0,1296)=2374,53428
dps growth= 1,00529344 = 0,53%

HASTE +20

DPS afetr adding haste gem +20
32,79 haste = 1% faster cast
20 haste / 32,79 = 0,699%

Missile barrage activates (87,04%)
3693,9+3693,9*1,15+3693,9*1,3+3693,9*1,45+7435,8*1,6= 29997,39 dmg
12,5s - (12,5s * 0,00699) = 12,412625
DPS:
29997,39 / 12,412625s = 2416,68382

Missile barrage dont activates (12,96%)
693,9+3693,9*1,15+3693,9*1,3+3693,9*1,45+3182,9*1,6= 23192,75 dmg
11 - (11 * 0,00699) = 10,92311
DPS:
23192,75 / 10,92311s = 2123,2735

average dps w/ haste +20:
(2416,68382*0,8704)+(2123,2735*0,1296)= 2 378,65784

dps growth = 1,0070392 = 0,7%

So its +0,7% with HASTE
and +0,5 with SP

So its no better use haste gems?

I made calculations with 3k SP and 1k haste and still haste looks better.

(All calculations dont count criticals hits).

Sadirin · 09/25/10, 6:34 PM

Hm, compared to the total damage this doesnt sound too great. But I have to admit, that will cat damage still broken as hell it is very difficult to achieve some true DPS test results, especially compared to other classes.

rawrschach · 09/25/10, 7:40 PM

OK cool. I thought about hitting it twice, but I didn't even thinka bout it :p Thanks.

Varze · 09/25/10, 8:02 PM

Heroic Neverending Winter does not show a socket bonus.

I'm wondering if the extra 36 stamina, boosts it up enough to be better then the Glacial Shield (regular) for tanking.

coconitos · 09/26/10, 1:32 AM

I'll try to be as quick as possible,
while in a 51/18/2 tree, hiting the bosses, should i wait for the envenom buff get to ''0seconds'' to envenom again or should i spam envenom with 4-5CP as quick as i can?

Saan · 09/26/10, 3:08 AM

Originally Posted by coconitos

I'll try to be as quick as possible,
while in a 51/18/2 tree, hiting the bosses, should i wait for the envenom buff get to ''0seconds'' to envenom again or should i spam envenom with 4-5CP as quick as i can?

Hit envenom *right* when the buff runs out. However, if you would cap on energy while waiting, just hit envenom. It's better to clip the buff than it is to waste energy.

Ahnicun · 09/26/10, 5:04 AM

Thanks for the quick replies. =]

haqone · 09/26/10, 5:30 AM

I was wondering if some of you frost elites could help me out with geming my gear and giving me some advice on future upgrades. My current gear can be seen here The World of Warcraft Armory - Hakon @ Frostwolf - Profile . I should have my tier 10 gloves next week to complete my 4 set bonus. Any other items that you can see that should be replaced? Also is there some where to look at the BIS items? Thanks for all your help.

jbs89 · 09/26/10, 5:47 AM

Alot of people have given me a huge amount of grief over [Swordguard Embroidery] so I thought I'd post here in hopes that it will be corrected.

Im unsure where you got ~100, because the proc is a static increase, there is no chance of differentiation; unless you are implying that the full use of the proc will not occur, which is a far, far cry from ~100.

The way the buff works is: +400 AP over 15 seconds, with an icd of 35 seconds. Then it reprocs on clockwork, and is 100% reliable to proc when you start DPSing, summon a Gargoyle, and 2 minutes later it will be up again for your gargoyle.

This is not ~100, it is a static increase of 121 AP.

I really cant remember the math but I am more than willing to dredge it up.

BUT, if a math buff (hopefully there are some around) can tell us 50 seconds of (400 AP for 15 seconds) + (35 second cooldown), equivalates too; you will find it is 121 AP constant, and it is impossible to be ~100 AP.

It is also a far, far cry to say that 40 or 41 STR (from BS+JC respectively) is equivalent to even ~100 AP constant. You have this backwards.

Coupled with your ghoul and gargoyle summon, this is the easily the best for Unholy.

(edit: this part was just some personal thoughts I included for no real reason, other than to justify [or lackethereof] JC/BS) I am aware of the Glove enchant on Engineering, and that Haste is given a 2:1 vs AP, but we must remember that there is also 44 AP lost on top of the profession buff, as well as the simple fact that we stack STR for highest AP, not Haste. (i.e. 100 damage and 1% crit vs 1 damage and 100% crit); although here I am inclined to agree that perhaps Engineering IS very good and quite potentially a must-have for the best dps.

edit: I am also aware that some are under the impression that 45 seconds is the shortest icd but I am more than happy to show any and all that this is not the case, simply counting it for 5 minutes will give you a more than satisfactory conclusion on the icd AND clockwork proc, which it gave me before I leveled.... tailoring (lol)

Ulothar · 09/26/10, 7:34 AM

It doesn't mater that much of what you should change since 4.0 Patch will soon release and things will change then but I will help you anyway on what you asked. Items that you should def replace are :

1) Your sigil with Sigil of Awareness (spcialy if you aim for an ArP cap. Boosting our Oblit with ArmP over 90% from gear is a big plus)
2) Greatness trinket with Whispering Fanged Skull. (In case you are able to get Halion's trinket and DBW then go for these two, otherwise Fanged Skull and DBW are very good choices)
3) You are over the cap on hit rating. I would reccoment you to get tier10 helmet and replace gloves with the emblems one. This way you will earn lots of ArmP which should be your goal.
4) Replace your belt with Coldwraith Links from valithria.
5) Replace your Gutbuster with a second Bloodvenom Blade.

Keep in mind that every time you replace one item you should watch your hit rating so that you won't go undercap. At the moment you are overcap but in case you change gloves/belt you will drop below your cap so be carefull with what you replace first. Once you obtain the list I gave you, your hit rating will drop to 249 which is under the cap, you can then change 2 yellow gems to 10 strength 10 hit rating in order to reach the cap.

This is a fast list I made for you, of course you should change other items aswell and be as close as possible to the BiS list, but unfortunatelly you don't have the time for it, this is the reason I didn't add these.

I hope this helped you.