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Old 04/02/09, 4:58 PM   #3151
Kysse
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Korgath
Grid & Hots on the PTR

Has anyone else noticed that Grid_Status_Hots is extremely buggy on the PTR. Not only does it show every other Resto Druids hots, but it also incorrectly calculates the amount of Lifeblooms you have on a target.

I hope this is just a bug that will be fixed before it goes live.

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Old 04/02/09, 5:14 PM   #3152
Illijilli
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Kil'Jaeden
Which glyph would you be sacrificing to pick up glyph of imp? You aren't really comparing the dps of the pets in this case, your comparing the dps gain of the glyph of imp over what ever previous glyph you were using.

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Old 04/02/09, 5:55 PM   #3153
Grundar
Banned
 
Troll Shaman
 
Dragonmaw
I have to laugh at the idea of shaman catching other classes in PVP, back in the day of real windfury and the UNstoppable force blizzard developers learned to hate shaman and the fix was in (for nerfs) and no fix for PVP but plenty of promises abound


13 months ago this was promised.....and where is it today? Has the gap closed?



Regardless, Chilton still shared some of the aspects of the Shaman class that they plan on focusing on such as "the totem dropping mechanic, improving specific under-used totems, and a few other non-totem related improvements."
Overall, things are looking pretty good for the Shaman class. Before we go, we'd like to leave you guys with a few words from Chilton regarding the way the developers from Blizzard are currently viewing the Shaman class:



To provide a little background, our general outlook on the class is that they're actually in good shape for all 3 specs for raid PvE, on the weak side for heroic PvE, pretty solid in battlegrounds and 5v5, on the weak side in 3v3, and pretty well gimped in 2v2. We're hoping to get at least 1 spec viable in 2v2 for this patch (we're thinking Enhance), but hopefully all three specs will be viable for 3v3.

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Old 04/02/09, 6:18 PM   #3154
scurgelord
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Windrunner
tweaking dps

reading over this forum has enlightened me enough to the extent that i feel confident in asking a question. i have rolled frost DPS since aquiring the 4/5 T7.5 tier bonus, yet although i am in mostly endgame gear (missing some best in slots) i seem to have trouble breaking 4.3k DPS on 25 naxx raid bosses (unflasked). i was wondering if anyone could enlighten me on a way to either boost my DPS or configure gear. the current rotation im using is 21/50/0 and i use sigil of awareness. rotation:
BS-BT-IT-FS-OB-FS-OB-FS repeat. any information regarding this will be much appreciated as i have been contemplating this problem with little success for some time now.(The World of Warcraft Armory) armory.

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Old 04/02/09, 7:12 PM   #3155
richard
Piston Honda
 
Human Death Knight
 
Kazzak (EU)
Don't use crit or attack power gems, get decent enchants, don't use a tank cloak to dps. Spec into UA. Max your professions for the perks.

And please don't start your rotation with BS BS. That's just silly. Refer to the first page of this thread for better rotations.

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Old 04/02/09, 10:00 PM   #3156
Chaotiic
 
Orc Warlock
 
Misha
im gonna get the prisms deck and im wondering which is better ... that or the mark of the war prisoner?

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Old 04/02/09, 10:40 PM   #3157
Chaotiic
 
Orc Warlock
 
Misha
i've always been a grind-for-gold kinda guy and i dont know where else to farm,i have triedthe dissolve essence and have farmed relics of ulduar on exhausted vyrkuls/captive vyrkuls, couldnt really make that much...640+ gold in 10 hours of no one being there but usually there are 2-3 guys there at a time so it is really frustrating, does anyone know of a place to farm for gold/Disenchantable greens?

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Old 04/02/09, 11:00 PM   #3158
Chaotiic
 
Orc Warlock
 
Misha
does anyone perhaps know the dps loss/gain from losing siphon life?

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Old 04/03/09, 2:57 AM   #3159
Tanoooki
Glass Joe
 
Tanoooki's Avatar
 
Goblin Priest
 
Xavius (EU)
Seems like DW isnt all dead yet in 3.1, no?

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Old 04/03/09, 4:18 AM   #3160
Kuzz
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Skullcrusher
Hey guys I have read most of this thread (as much as i could before my eyes lost focus) And now that 3.1 looks pushed out a little farther I wanted to try HAT for a litlle. My qustion for you smart book learned folks is if i wanted to try HAT on live with 2x Hailstorm what would your spec/poison choice look like? If im crazy and its stupid idea to even play with let me know. Just thought it would fun before we go to PPM.

Thanks !

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Old 04/03/09, 4:28 AM   #3161
Cemetary
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Blackwing Lair


I apologize for the massive size... I have a big monitor

I like to keep my playing field very clean and open so that i can see whats going on at all times. If anyone's interested I can list the addons I'm using.

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Old 04/03/09, 5:49 AM   #3162
Grakmarr
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Area 52
Originally Posted by Chaotiic View Post
i've always been a grind-for-gold kinda guy and i dont know where else to farm,i have triedthe dissolve essence and have farmed relics of ulduar on exhausted vyrkuls/captive vyrkuls, couldnt really make that much...640+ gold in 10 hours of no one being there but usually there are 2-3 guys there at a time so it is really frustrating, does anyone know of a place to farm for gold/Disenchantable greens?
I've always been a huge fan of farming dead-side Stratholme from the service entrance to Baron. Your server may vary, but I usually see Runecloth going for about 6g-7g per stack. And with people powering through reputation turn-ins, it's always in demand. Service entrance to Baron, you'll get two or three stacks of it every run. You'll also get Crypt Fiend Parts and Bone Fragments - they aren't really big ticket items, but they stack to 250 and you'll get plenty of them. If you're an enchanter, the greens that drop from trash and bosses can DE into Greater Eternal Essences - and the blue drops sell to vendors for about 4g each. You'll get a ton of greys, most of which go for about 1g each. A typical run for me (80 Prot Warrior in t7) from service entrance to Baron takes about 12 minutes, and nets about 50g. Between 200g and 250g per hour.

Basically, once you factor in time to run back to the Chapel and sell your blues/greys, you may as well have been doing your dailies. The gold per hour is solid and steady, definitely nothing spectacular. But personally I find it a nice change of pace, and it comes with the added bonus of eventually giving you Baron's Deathcharger (got mine after about 40 runs).

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Old 04/03/09, 7:39 AM   #3163
irgendwer
Banned
 
Gnome Mage
 
Azshara (EU)
+ the stormjewel is bop, which means there is really just a small chance that u get the one with spellpower.

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Old 04/03/09, 7:56 AM   #3164
slex
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Sporeggar (EU)
Originally Posted by Chaotiic View Post
does anyone perhaps know the dps loss/gain from losing siphon life?
Looking at my recent parse 8 casts of siphon life did 85,338 damage, if I replace it with 4 shadowbolts it's around 60000 damage loss (a bit over 200dps)

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Old 04/03/09, 8:33 AM   #3165
Phantasos333
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Sargeras
Conflag and Immo

I know this has probably been answered earlier in the thread but I was unable to find it.

I'm looking for clarification on what Immolate buffing talents buff Conflag as well.

Does the glyph and set bonuses buff it as well? And can someone post math to support this?

Would be very much appreciated.

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Old 04/03/09, 8:37 AM   #3166
Myradral
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Kargath
I am a confused shaman.

I've read all the posts, threads, topics.... and Google-Searched everything related to "Enhancement Shaman DPS Mechanics Rotation WOW WOTLK" etc..........

And NOTHING talks about this topic:

LAVA BURST.

Seriously. - I mean.........WTF? Here's a spell... that we can use, which GUARANTEES us a 9% increase in Critical Strike Rating - for 10 seconds (Assuming you have 3 points in elemental devastation.)

Now...... I haven't applied a 3-dimensional cross-tabbed coefficient model to determine the optimal DPS for all this ............. /gag.............. but I CAN tell you this:

When I utilized LAVA BURST in my rotation - i.e. tossed it in whenever Elemental Devastation was not up, my DPS jumped from:

WITHOUT LAVA BURST: 2134

WITH LAVA BURST: 2547

Now,............ a couple of other things. - My gear still stinks, relatively speaking. I'm not decked out in all 213 /226 epics yet - but I've been playing a shammy as an alt for years now,... and there is definitely something to this LAVA BURST,... which I have not seen addressed in your forums. Anyways,.. here is my profile if you want to review. - NO RIPPING - this is an ALT. - but I love the class... and I like to DPS occasionally. (Main is a healer.)

The World of Warcraft Armory

So............... can you comment or, possibly, direct me to a discussion around the utilization of LAVA BURST in an Enhancement Shammy's DPS rotation? - and/or explain where I am off here?

I mean,.. what's the point in the spell, if not for this?


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Old 04/03/09, 9:01 AM   #3167
Myradral
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Kargath
I thought I would add a few more comments....

I only really "stumbled" on this last night doin a Naxx run - as I hit the wrong button - hitting Lava Burst instead of Lava Lash - and... well... when it consumed my Flame Shock... and I got the automatic elemental devastation. - well... let's just say the numbers coming off the screen for the next 10 seconds were "jizzable". 8) SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......... it got me thinking.

I mean,.. a standard rotation for an enhancement shammy is something like:

Lightning Bolt if Maelstrom Weapon is at 5 stacks
else Stormstrike if available
else Earth Shock if available
else Lava Lash if available

(Straight from Elitist Jerks' forum - source: Shaman: Enhancement )

So I've been jamming with this mostly.

But I have been thinking of something more along the lines of this:

Stormstrike
Flame Shock
Lava Burst
Lightning Bolt (Or Chain Lightning) if Maelstrom Weapon is at 5 stacks
else Earth Shock

(along with Spirit Wolves, totems, etc... as needed, according to timers, etc.)

Would love some feedback on this.

PLEASE. :shock:

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Old 04/03/09, 9:19 AM   #3168
Myradral
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Kargath
ok.. something is FUBAR.

I just ran a test on some dummies in Orgrimmar.

Results:

WITH Lava Burst: 2958 DPS

WITHOUT Lava Burst: 2185 DPS

Uhm........... something seems extremely whacko.

Is it my gear?!?

HELP!

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Old 04/03/09, 10:19 AM   #3169
Humpall
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Frostwhisper (EU)
I was just wondering about a spec for destro with doomguard... basically modifying the normal destro spec going into demonology for imprpoved fel armour, instead going 20/0/51. something like

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...0&version=9757

I see that in the deep destro rotation CoD is used as in 3.1 CoA is no longer used to proc MC. would the doomguards increased dps over imp (??? questionable after 3.1 nerf ???) and improved Corr, and CoA be any dps gain at all over the simcrafted deep destro spec?

I think that some of the talents are a definate boost, for example the nightfall procs i think would make shadowbolt worth casting when backdraft is not up and nightfall is of course. and the decreased GCD on curses do give you an extra GCD for a destro spell every 72 seconds... would improved CoA and decreased GCD on it make it worth casting over doom? and would the corruption talents make it worthwhile casting at all??
For longer fights i see the improved life tap to be advantageous and the 5% improved seed of corruption damage also... although

Just a thought... wondered if its able to be calculated, or if theres even any point... btw, new on these forums, i know that spec posting is frowned upon??? its not a zomg, check my spec post....

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Old 04/03/09, 10:22 AM   #3170
Bruscha
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Detheroc
Wow Web Stats

Thanks for any help.

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Old 04/03/09, 10:23 AM   #3171
Jakoemanou
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Lightning's Blade (EU)
Currenly i running raids with 4 set bonus for T 7.5 activated(as Arms DPS). But how good is this?? Both [Obsidian Greathelm] and [Crude Discolored Battlegrips] are upgrades for sure but then i loose the 4 set bonus.

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Old 04/03/09, 11:37 AM   #3172
Humpall
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Frostwhisper (EU)
Originally Posted by Moony View Post
Taking into account you cannot walk around with a doomguard all the time, you will have to use other pet most of the time, gimping your dps lacking the important IMP talents on destro/demo.

Regarding COA, i already read here that doom > COA even if talented, but someone more educated in the manner can shed more light into this
Regarding Corruption extra damage, I rather have my rotation clear now that we are lifetapping for the glyph proc, and since most of your destruction talents increase fire-damage, your scalability wont be so hot on corruption in the long run.
Regarding the beneficts of seed of corruption, i was under the impression that destro was more of a rain of fire fan


Cheers
I was more thinking of it to be a spec to use when you are able to use DG, then swap back to the imp spec when not.... doom > CoA even with amplify curse? i do see what you mean about the lack of scaling with corroption tho...

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Old 04/03/09, 11:58 AM   #3173
 vank
GW2 or Bust
 
Voland
Orc Death Knight
 
No WoW Account
Methods, I really respect your analysis of the class and would be happy to post something for you on the US forums. PM me if it's something you'd like to do.

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Old 04/03/09, 4:28 PM   #3174
karloz
Glass Joe
 
karloz's Avatar
 
HarĂ*ma
Troll Hunter
 
Ragnaros
quick Q's

well ive been away from the game from pretty much 2 months but still ive been reading forums well w/e ypu prolly dont care...


1st loque'nahak spirit strike still worths the painfull labor to tame him? or is savage rend still over that ?



2nd ive been reading teh forums skippin some pages and that but ive seen you put Multi shot and Aimed shot in the same line of priority or sometimes its not even mentioned calling multishot instead: so besides the flexibility on trap-dance and that does it worth the point or shall i put it somewhere else.

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Old 04/03/09, 4:42 PM   #3175
Rustyblood
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Deathwing
Hey guys.

So I'm fairly new to the DPS side of things. I have been a healer for 4 years, and switched to DPS when DKs came out.

I have been 80 for about 3 or 4 weeks now, and I attend raids regularly with my guild.

I think my gear is alright, but the damage that I am outputting seems... poor. Very poor.

I am quite disappointed with myself, and am looking for advice to increase my DPS.

The World of Warcraft Armory

This is my gear.

My rotation is simply the basic deseaseless rotation of:

OB>OB>HS>HS>DCs
HS>HS>HS>HS>HS>HS>DCs

DCing whenever I get sudden doom procs, and saving DRW and Hystaria for when I have Heroism and as many procs as possible.

So that is what I am doing.. but I am getting beat out by mages and hunters and fury warriors really easily. They have slightly better gear then me, but they are beating my by large margins. (Example.. on patch this week I only got ~4k while others were over 5)

If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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