Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1275

Sorry · 10/02/10, 8:54 PM

Another major patch in the making with a lot of API changes and Statusbars2 breaks.
With my limited lua knowledge I kinda got it to work, but not every part and I'm not able to patch in any of the new resources.
But I came across a fairly new, very nice addon that certainly has Statusbars as its inspriration.

If you got so used to Statusbars like I did, that WoW is not the same without it, you might want to give Galvin's Unitbars a try.

Lciee · 10/02/10, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hybr1d

Generally, just work through your main talent tree for the ultimate talent first. But I'd suggest leveling as blood with a sub unholy, due to the high self-healing and optional, still awesome for soloing, tanktalents.

My question revolves around unholy DPS and expertise. I'm currently wielding Glorenzelg 271, which has me on 32 expertise (I'm a human as well). I also have Bryntroll 277, but when I put this on my expertise drops to 18. Supposedly, when not taking into account all other stats, bryntroll is apparently better (Rawr agrees). I do have a belt with expertise, 264 like my Coldwraith Links, that could boost me up to 24 expertise, but Rawr says its not worth it and it will decrease my dps.

So in short, is heroic bryntroll better than normal glorenzelg if it will cause me dropping below expertise cap.

I would never trust Rawr for DK's. Use Kahorie's posted on these forums for a more accurate analysis of gearing options. Even TeamRobot's simulator is better than Rawr. However Expertise is not an important stat for UH as other specs due to the amount of free GCD's - so I would be inclined to say slightly under exp > over Exp for UH.

Perforate-CC · 10/02/10, 11:27 PM

Posting this here as I am not the type to log an hours worth of data and chart it out. Are we 100% sure IP is the way to go for Combat now? I know the mechanics of DP post 5 stacks would suggest it is, but not getting that extra poison damage from Vile/Improved had me wondering. My rogue is in full 277 gear. I went to test out the new Combat changes on the PTR and not a single time did using IP over WP come out ahead. WP was ~200dps better every trial I did. Granted, this isnt in a raid setting, it is on a dummy, but w/e. Just something to double check if it has not been already.

That said, the whole thing is moot for me atm. Assassination is destroying Combat on PTR. By roughly 2k dps.

Valerys · 10/03/10, 6:16 AM

I am curious, is there still a quest for Verigan's Fist in Cataclysm, or something comparable?

koaschten · 10/03/10, 6:28 AM

With all the really good unitframes addons out there, why do you even need a status bars addon?

Just have a minimal agUF or sUF setup for player and target, place them left and right below the player model and it does so much more for you than a statusbars mod.

It will show you depending on setup
- hp, resource bar
- all debuffs/buffs, or only those you applied
- cast bars
- class by color
- ...

And does this really warrant a necro on a 2 year old thread?

Naughtyswine · 10/03/10, 6:54 AM

i wish you'd do a frost update as well, the guy who made the frost thread wasn't reliable at all I had to go elsewhere to get any info before I went from unholy to frost to fit my guilds needs lol.

Rougeyopants · 10/03/10, 8:01 AM

so do Armor pen MM hunters use arcane shot or not, cause my messge got removed for not being interesting, and all i wanna do is find out if i should use it or not

johnyblaze · 10/03/10, 9:43 AM

So overall with patch 4.0 coming out this tues or the next. I am still blank on a rotation since i havent got into a raid on the ptr just dummy practice. From what i gather we still use the FCFS rotation. Except now TV with 3 holy power is first priority with CS to build holy power up 2nd. As far as filler im taking it that Judment is 3rd followed by Exorism with AoW proc up. And HoW b4 the exorcism when its up. That leaves us with Divine storm, concecration cut out of our dps completey except on trash aoe. With trash aoe instaed of using TV with 3 holy power you just use DS with 3 holy power up. So now for single rotation its CS, filler, filler, CS, filler, filler, TV (3HP)..repeat. And when u pop Zealotry u should pop wings and basically just CS TV CS TV CS TV until zealtry is done. Does this all seem about right?

Also does the patch change our BiS for gear at all? Im asking since haste reduces are CS and what not does that make the Badge trinket better than TAJ or no?

Also since the reforging thing is going in whats the priority on stats. Does Mastery take prioirty now after hit and expertise?

kracker98 · 10/03/10, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by johnyblaze

So overall with patch 4.0 coming out this tues or the next. I am still blank on a rotation since i havent got into a raid on the ptr just dummy practice. From what i gather we still use the FCFS rotation. Except now TV with 3 holy power is first priority with CS to build holy power up 2nd. As far as filler im taking it that Judment is 3rd followed by Exorism with AoW proc up. And HoW b4 the exorcism when its up. That leaves us with Divine storm, concecration cut out of our dps completey except on trash aoe. With trash aoe instaed of using TV with 3 holy power you just use DS with 3 holy power up. So now for single rotation its CS, filler, filler, CS, filler, filler, TV (3HP)..repeat. And when u pop Zealotry u should pop wings and basically just CS TV CS TV CS TV until zealtry is done. Does this all seem about right?

Also does the patch change our BiS for gear at all? Im asking since haste reduces are CS and what not does that make the Badge trinket better than TAJ or no?

Also since the reforging thing is going in whats the priority on stats. Does Mastery take prioirty now after hit and expertise?

You may want to look at previous post since pretty much all of this has already been discussed.

Inverse · 10/03/10, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by johnyblaze

*snip*

I'll shorten it for you, but you really should have a read at a lot of previous posts as it goes into far more depth than I will.

-HoL Proc > 3HP TV > CS > Exo > Judgement > HoW > HW (when mana allows) > Consecration (when mana allows) is our single-target priority.
-CS > Filler > CS > Filler, not double fillers between CS.
-Zealotry rotation is CS > TV > CS > TV barring mastery procs.
-Zealotry + Wings or separate CDs depends on the fight. Sometimes it'll be preferable, at others you might want to use them separately. Heroic LK Valkyries are a good example of a fight that might benefit from them being used separately.
-As far as worrying about BiS gear from 4.01 > Cataclysm, most haven't bothered. It might be discussed somewhere, but you'll have to backtrack to see. Likewise for reforging.
-Our Cataclysm stat priorities are estimated to be as follows: STR = 1, Hit/Expertise = .5, Crit/Haste/Mastery = .25, but some are speculating that Haste, with Blizzard's latest "do more" philosophy, will pull ahead. More mana regen, faster autoattacks (therefore AoW + Mastery Procs), faster Censure/Consecration ticks are all resultant from more haste.

Quick and dirty summary.

johnyblaze · 10/03/10, 1:41 PM

Thx Inverse thats what I thought. I did read the earlier posts but some was just theorycrafting. SOme of the posts were older and there has been some minor changes so I just wanted to recap b4 the patch comes. things like the haste badge trinket and such was talked about in regards to haste being a more important factor but there was no real clear cut answer if the war token would be better than TAJ after the patch. Also I didnt see the post earlier but did anyone clarify what would be the best prime glyph. Obviously the exp and TV one are in but for the 3rd I havent really seen a clear cut winner between the CS crit one, judgment or Exorism. Maybe it was in there but i lost track of 28 pages of posts. Right now Im thinking the CS one sine we use it the most but wasnt sure if Exorism might be better

OldTimer · 10/03/10, 2:07 PM

I apologize if I havent found it but it would be great if there were a summary of the basics for Fury come 4.0.x.

If its available can you direct me to the locations please. I have gone to my preferred site MMO-Champion but I think it would be a useful post to sticky a Fury Guide.

I'm thinking gemming, preferred talent tree, preferred rotation. Simply the basics to get someone who has little time to PTR or Beta test going.

Thanks.

Kvothe · 10/03/10, 3:40 PM

So, with 4.0 right around the corner and likely in its nearly final form, has anyone done the math as to what the optimal spec at level 80 will be? After the 31 points in Ret we're left with 5 points to spend in either Judgements of the Pure, Arbiter of the Light, or Seals of the Pure. My gut reaction is SotP and AotL 3/3 and 2/2 respectively, but I'm wondering if the math puts the breakdown at some mix of the 3.

Also, as a follow-up, what will be the optimal order of spending your points as you level?

Redcape · 10/03/10, 4:28 PM

Strangely all the points in prot and holy seem nearly identical in strength. Currently I am showing the Seals of the Pure being ever so slightly ahead, but it is way smaller than the margin of error I am sure I have.

Anuta · 10/03/10, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Grubsnik

You should never get better numbers with a +stam gem.
You might get a better result by swapping a single +20 str gem to a +10 str/+10 crit gem, if it will trigger a +6 str socket bonus, effectively making it a trade of 4 str for 10 crit rating.

This is why you sometimes see the "matching socket bonus" option providing more dps than the "pure str" option.

Haste would be better.