Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1280

Thormier · 10/06/10, 7:04 PM

Thanks for your reply

Im only lvl40 atm so ill wait until i hit 80 and have got used to all of the spells to ask again, I have a few Macro's for changing stance with one click.

Another quick question in PvP, If against a spell caster should i be changing to Berserker Stance and getting a Pummel in there before anything else?

Breakerzeus · 10/06/10, 8:14 PM

It´s my first time posting here so don´t blame me for anything odd^^

What i post now hasn´t something to do with the Discussion above my post but i´ve computed the stat "intellect" in the Cataclyms Beta for the Stats we get from Int.
Here are my results: ( requires the Armory Bonus of 5% of Int)

1 Int=

15 Mana
1 Spell Power
0,074 Combat Regeneration
0,00154% Crit

I´ve Checked this with some Items i put on and off and this calculation seems to be right. if you have other results then post it please. otherwise they should be right.

thanks ;P

paulsen · 10/06/10, 8:56 PM

Edit: nm

Breakerzeus · 10/06/10, 9:08 PM

It´s my first time posting here so please don´t blame me for anything odd. What i post now hasn´t something to do with the Discussion above my post but i´ve computed the stat "Intellect" in the Cataclysm Beta for the Stats we get from Int. Here are my results (requires the Armory Bonus of 5% of Int):

1 Intellect
15 Mana
1 Spell Power
0,074 Combat Regeneration
0,00154% Crit

I´ve checked this with some Items i put on and off and this calculation seems to be right. If you have other results then post it please. Otherwise it should be right.

Evict1 · 10/06/10, 9:18 PM

Evict1 · 10/06/10, 9:27 PM

Alright, i dont know if this has been gone over or anything yet but currently im moderately geared (6300 GS) frost. I have Heroic Deaths Choice and a reguluar DBW atm, i was wondering if when the 4.0 patch goes live, would heroic tiny abombination in a jar would be viable to replace DBW or even heroic DC. Any thoughts?

Doomzie · 10/06/10, 10:28 PM

First time poster here guys, (long time reader/follower) Ghostcrawler did confirm on the Damage Dealing forums today that Shadow Bolt will remain to be affliction's filler in Cataclysm with this post: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Mmochamp--> conflag at 60% and loses do

Just thought I'd drop by and let everyone know and update those who do not follow the DD forums actively.

Cheers,
Doomz

Mausoleum · 10/07/10, 12:47 AM

Hmmm

1) As far as reforging goes is it worth it to reforge till you are white hit capped? Reforge till your 3% shy of white hit cap?

2) Reforge all haste?

3) Even bother with mastery rating?

4) Reforge for expertise cap if you arent currently 26/26+ ?

5) Glyphs?

I guess I don't know if I should be creating an equilibrium of stats, OR in which order are the new stats being favored.

Italospawn · 10/07/10, 3:27 AM

Which is the right Rotation now for 4.0 and which Enchants /Gems would a Holy use?

I Thing gems still be Int, but i'am not sure.

Hope someone can help :=)

Maledictt · 10/07/10, 3:38 AM

*Removed for Infraction by Maledictt*

Apologies for the infraction. Got a good thing started here look forward to reading it.

ogghostinthemachine · 10/07/10, 6:25 AM

What are the best pvp talent specs for cata? does sub make assassination useless now? the talents just seem sick.

is there a chance comnbat can hang in pvp? i doubt it but i might as well ask

aethereal · 10/07/10, 8:20 AM

Delete post.

AeonNightmare · 10/07/10, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by shadowboy813

I did a test of energy regen scaling with haste using a different method (prior to seeing this post).

My methodology (assumptions noted where they were made).
I dumped energy with fan of knives, standing outside of melee range with autoattack off. I then spammed fan of knives for 200 executes. I noted the activity on recount and divided this into the expected energy cost of 200 Fans of Knives. I did this at 0 haste rating, and 7 other incremental values of haste. I then plotted these on a spreadsheet and added a trendline using the built in least squares fit.

I then repeated the same experiment as subtlety (no benefit from vitality).

It appears as though vitality stacks multiplicatively with haste-based energy regen scaling.

Here is the chart:

(Note the outlier at around 20% haste on the subtlety line. Nature called about halfway through so that point only represents 100 FoK executes. EACH point represented 6-9 minutes of pressing the same button repeatedly. I was not about to start that data point all over).

I agree that this method has some error introduced that would increase the energy regeneration from the initial energy dump and if anyone is interested, I will refine my method to a more accurate one. By using time-stamps from a combat log, parsing them, and discarding initial executes to a point where the derivative of time-between-executes becomes tolerably close to zero. This should allow a more meaningful data set to be used.

I haven't seen much talk discussing whether we know our exact amount of energy regen based on haste, save for the known base 10energy/sec for non-combat, and 12.5 for combat. Based on shadowboy's test above, it seems that roughly 10% haste will equate to an additional 1energy/sec for non combat, and 8% for combat. I bring up being able to calculate our regen because of assassination's possible cycles and dependency on energy regen.

Current feel of playing assassination atm is that it feels fluid, but I feel that this is due to the high levels of haste we currently have at 80 with top end gear. Our current regen is as follows: (10/sec(base) + (regen from haste) + (regen from VW) ) *1.3(during overkill) = total regen.
Previously(or currently if you look at live) it was : (10/sec(base) + (regen from focused attacks) ) *1.3(during overkill) = total regen.
Now, ignoring the base regen and overkill, we have some ability to effect the other 3 sources. Regen from FA scaled with crit linearly and knowing how often you crit in a given time frame, you could solve for the effective energy regen of FA.
(eg. critting with melee strikes 100 times in 20 seconds was worth 10energy/sec)
Again, mentioning the testing done above, it seems to be the same with haste regen if not easier to figure out since it isn't dependent on time, only the percentage of haste.

Now we get to VW, which is where I start to worry about the state of our energy regen. VW gives a 60% chance to gain 10 energy per tick of rupture/garrote. Rupture ticks every 2 seconds for 16(20 w/ glyph) seconds. Now assuming 100% uptime on rupture, the expected energy regen of VM per glyphed rupture should be: (.6(%) * 10(# of ticks) * 10(energy))/20(sec) = 3energy/sec. Yet, to get this energy we have to spend energy, so we spend 25 up front and at best at the end we get 60 back, 25 of that going into the next rupture. That's still a net gain of 35, so what's the problem?

The problem is that I worry that we will be required to have a certain level of regen to be able to maintain a mutilate cycle, and the only way we can currently affect our regen is with haste and with our cycle(%time rupture is up). Now, I may have missed something calculation wise, but it seems to me that our dependency on rupture may cause initial issues with pve mutilate specs until we obtain enough haste to maintain a cycle at 85.

Edit: Question, Since VW does nature damage as a poison would, has any testing been done to see whether VW scales with our mastery?

ViciousVixen · 10/07/10, 10:52 AM

Was nice to see Blizzard give us back a bit of our HPS, making us comparable to some of the other classes in that respect.

I am wondering if anyone has done any research into the following:

Preferred trinkets with the changing stats/procs.

Preferred professions to provide maximization.

How much mana return we get from putting crusader strike into our rotation and
standing mainly in melee for swing procs.

First time poster, long time reader, and please forgive my English.

VV

Lehrissa · 10/07/10, 1:38 PM

I have been scanning around here and other sites, trying to learn more about being a fire mage. This is my first toon, been playing a couple months. I am duel specc'ed in Frost, too.

What should I be looking for as far as enchants, gems, etc? Intellect, Spell Power, Haste?

Right now my rotation is Living bomb, scorch, frostfire bolt, and then whatever else I have time for before the boss/add dies, so either more scorches/ffb. I use combustion whenever I can, and Molten Armor. Of course I use proc's whenever I get them. Is there a way to foresee when you will get a pyro proc or is it just if I get a crit or something?

Thanks for any help. =}