You haven't presented proof either, except your own claims, and you are presenting your claims as truth without evidence - just as you accuse me.

What evidence do you have that many people don't know how to use sims properly? That's just a statement based on hearsay/opinion. What do you think that qualifies YOU to say this and in what way do you think YOU are not MOST people? In what way do you think your sim 'skills' are superior, and you are not like most people?

All you are doing is falling into an argumentative fallacy of 'ad hominem'. In this specific instance, it means you are trying to validate your argument by debasing my 'abilities' to sim properly, all the while not tackling the issue of disproving my claims. 'Most people' do this, so I imagine you could be considered to fall under the category of 'most people'? Or do we want to make this less personal, and remain objective to the point without the baseless claims and petty jabs at what we assume to be the ignorance of 'most people'?

While you decide that, here is the evidence i will present to back my point.

YouTube - DWUnholyDeathknightprecataclysm.mov -

The flaws here show DW Frost being on top the first minute. But as you can see eventually DW Unholy pulls off to be a higher sustained DPS overall. I would also like to point out too that the DW Unholy build is in a mix of ilvl251/264 gear and the DW Frost is a mix of ilvl264/277 gear, even though it does not show that in the video.

I also realize that the 'test' dummy doesn't always 'qualify' as to the full potential dps of a spec...but I would also like to point out that the reason for this WAS because unholy talents on dummies didn't calculate properly. We could also include that since the new DW Frost spec uses Howling Blast, it is also hitting the other 2 targets. But you can also argue that it might possibly equal out because my ghoul cleaves.

Unholy 2H Sim - 11655

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Unholy DW Sim - 11963

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I have a few questions about destro for those who are better with the numbers than I am and able to test on the ptr.

1) Considering that it's the third rank of Shadow and Flame that is broken, would incinerate out damage searing pain if we only took 2/3 for now, or would SP still come out on top? Does this include both above and below 50% ?

2) When regemming, I have 7 blue sockets that need new gems. Taking away all my current hit gems (in yellow sockets) I have 331 hit rating. Would the best option be to:

-Use all 10 Int/10 Hit gems and reforge some spirit to hit to get capped (while turning crit into mastery)?

-Use the correct balance of 10 Int/10 Hit gems and 20 hit gems to get perfectly capped, then reforge spirit/crit to mastery?

or

-Use all 20 hit gems to go OVER the hit cap, then reforge all spirit, crit, and some hit into mastery?

3) When reforging is there a specific haste level I need to shoot for, or never go below? Or is it acceptable to turn haste into mastery in all cases where an item doesn't have crit or spirit?

Also, isn't this the Cataclysm thread? Last I knew, the Team Robot Simulator was still pre-4.0.1, making its relevance to this thread almost nil.

That video is pretty vague to be honest, and should probably be dismissed in this discussion. I can't access your armory and of course I have barely any idea of what gear the other guy is wearing, other than the vague description in your post. I don't even know if he's flasked and well-fed, as you are in the video, either.

Also, test dummies, as you note and yet simultaneously ignore, really don't show the full potential of a spec, and especially not when two people of the same class, partied together, are beating on the same dummy. Point is, all of these blurry bits of inaccurate information add up to something (the video) which simply isn't admissible as proof to your claims.

EDIT: Brian, re: where's your proof, Consider?

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soryy, maybe iam blind, but nobody mentioned about reforging in combat. all crit to haste?what about mastery?

If you look at the first post, you see the stat weights:

Stat Assass. Combat
Agi 2.8 2.88
Crit 1.4 1.62
Spell Hit 3.1 2.38
White Hit 1.7 1.69
Expertise 2.6 2.20
Haste 2.2 2.25
Mastery 1.7 0.60

I don't see how you'll ever want mastery with combat.

As far as Mutilate, is there some form of diminishing return with haste? Is there a point where we will want to reforge crit=>mastery?

Do you have any proof of this?

This number isn't really in the same vain as the current gold cap, (2^31)-1.

Yes, the other DK has the same buffs as I do.

Also, I note that test dummies don't show a full raid scenario, but they do however show potential dps. I really don't understand what you want as proof. Explain how the video doesn't provide proof. You can clearly see the names and the dps. Both attacking the same target.

I don't see how you want to call something 'inaccurate' just because you dismiss it as such without any insight as to WHY it is inaccurate.


BTW, thanks for the sim link proof.

It is inaccurate because all of your descriptions are vague and incomplete. I barely have any idea of what gear you're using and what gear he's using. No clue on if he's performing his rotation well. Barely any clue on anything. There is nothing in that video that can stand up to the rigorous tests that the issue requires for accurate results. That's why I say the video doesn't prove much of anything. That ought to be clear (obvious, really), and shouldn't need to be posted, but hey, you asked. I'm probably asking for an infraction by even replying here but this is getting ridiculous.

Also, you can thank Consider for the simulation reports.

Apparently none of the talent calculator links from before today are working since the latest build of the talent calculator on MMO-Champion today. Can anyone link me a basic cookie-cutter build for level 80 raid healing?

Would anyone happen to know an approximation on the haste and crit caps for Destruction?

Even with my total 1400 haste reforged to about 1198 haste and with the Soulfire 15% cast time reduction my Searing Pains are less than 1 second. Outside of the Soulfire haste buff my searing pain is at 1.1 seconds. This is also without any raid buffs so I would assume that I would have to be even lower than what I am at now in order to prevent searing pain clipping.