I have to hope that post-level-80 our raid dps output will catch up with the current 4.0.1 numbers I'm seeing (once we get deep wounds, for example). I've been browsing WorldOfLogs off an on all day at work and reviewing the ICC 25's by Damage Done, specifically for bosses we usually rock the DPS meters on, such as Saurfang. Honestly, it's really alarming.

I know the new rotation is a work in progress, as well as re-gemming & stat prioritization... however:

I have yet to see a log where a warrior broke more than 13k DPS. Most were 11k on average. In these same logs I'm seeing DK's pulling 16-20k DPS, out-DPSing us by at least 4k on most logs. I don't think it's outlandish to say that we shouldn't be that far behind a fellow plate-wearing melee DPS hybrid class, no? Druids, another hybrid DPS class (I didn't check if they were laserturkey or cat form), are also well above us in damage output, pulling 17-22k DPS on plenty of logs. To top it off, pure DPS classes, especially the casters, are barely seen dropping below 19k for most fights. There are Warlocks and Mages pulling consistent 22-26k DPS in the same raid where their DPS War's are pulling 9-11k DPS. These warriors are far from undergeared, too. Plenty of Shadowmournes and Heroic ICC drops, etc. Don't get me wrong, pure DPS classes SHOULD be pulling more than hybrids per Blizzard's design philosophy, but not 10-15k more- Especially when other hybrid DPS classes are pulling what they're pulling. We should be right up there as well, regardless of the overhaul to our stats / rotation. If we're consistently 10-15k DPS below the curve in post 4.0.1 logs, it's not a learning curve with our classes changes, it's a serious design flaw. We shouldn't be this low in the charts, even if we're still not reaching our full potential due to talent restrictions at the moment.

I should say, I'm not QQ'ing, I like the challenge of a revamp and welcome the change to stats & mechanics, but I've seen enough to feel as though we're in a severely broken state at the moment. I'm not crying wolf, either, I've been reviewing these logs for the better part of the day in-between coding, and the DPS disparity is consistent. Look for yourself.

Maybe we're not just finding our sweet spot yet for stats / etc, but I highly doubt that when we're talking a 10-15k difference in DPS from re-gemming / perfecting a rotation. It feels more like a work-in-progress, especially when you toss in things such as the lack of stat-revamping for STR on ranged weapons for 4.0.1, the Tier 10 4-piece missing a Fury bonus, etc.

Okay, rant over. I'm frustrated and annoyed, but trying to keep in mind that these changes are for the long-term / level 85 game mechanics... but since we have the rest of this month, November, and part of December to go until we can get past the state we're in, it's hard not to complain.

I'm hoping it turns around as the week goes on, add-ons get fixed, specs get tweaked, and gems / stats are crunched, but it's really looking like we've got a ways to go until we're back in competitive raiding form.

(Here's hoping I'm wrong )

Its absoluty true. Frist Boss ICC and i pushing out 10k dps. For 4.01 it was 13-15k. Our Boomkins @ 22k and so on. Fury is borken at the moment, what we can do is waiting for Level 85 and then rock the halls of Cataclysm.

My stat order is: 27% hit cap, 6,5% exp, rest STR. I`m gemming str+hit. If you miss you can´t push out styles, so its logcial that hit is the first stat to push on hardcap.

My priolist is: Execute >Bloodthirst> Raging Blow> Hs/Cleave > Slam (iLevel 277)

I hope blizz will patch that shit...

if i´m wrong, sorry that is what i see today.

you guys are sure that Chimera does not "re-shot" SrS and thus we can benefit from imp srs talent?
hawk aspect is just meh with it OwN bonus (dunno from where 162 ap/point, its more like 18/point) so 3 pathing and 2 imp srs sounds better for spending last 5 points to me, but ia m too lazy to check :P

marked for death talent also looks gibberish, especially wit more than 1 mm in raid, i took silencing an 1x RK instead (yea uselees but will be nice in pvp and grin synergy with rapid reoccupation)
they could fix agi tooltip to show 2 rap per point

edit: our crits does now 150% dmg?

Ok i've read that the unbuffed haste soft-cap is anywhere from 25%-31% depending on your latency. I saw badpaladin post an equation on calculating what the haste soft cap is for rets on another forum. I see you speak of the haste soft cap but have given it no definite values.