Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1310

PuffY187 · 10/14/10, 11:38 AM

* Metamorphosis
* Immolate
* Hand of Gul'dan
* Bane of Doom
* Corruption
* Immolation Aura
* Shadowflame
* Incinerate (If molten core is up)
* Soul Burn -> Soul Fire
* Soul Fire (If Decimation is up)
* Shadow Bolt

Going by the above demo spell priority list I got a question....

Why cast corruption still? Now that molten core does not proc from it is this still worth doing?

Also I'm probably missing something but what is the point of the life tap glyph now there is no spell power buff from scaling with spirit for this?

Jalamar · 10/14/10, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by PuffY187

Why cast corruption still? Now that molten core does not proc from it is this still worth doing?

It simply does lots of damage per cast, same goes for shadowflame, Its worth the GCD

Originally Posted by PuffY187

Also I'm probably missing something but what is the point of the life tap glyph now there is no spell power buff from scaling with spirit for this?

LT reduced the GCD from lifetaping by half second, meaning u can do 3-4 lifetap in a really short period, geting u up to full mana.+ there is like nothing better, really.

microdeath · 10/14/10, 11:49 AM

Since we can cast Curse of Elements on targets now also, I was interested to know if anyone has tried a 31/0/5 Spec with 3/3 Bane 2/2 Imp Immolate With Glyph of immolate>Glyph of Agony. Provided you have alot of haste to cover the loss of bane this spec wouldn't be too bad would it?

mvidale · 10/14/10, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kluian

In order to obtain 6 ticks, you need haste values to acheive a time between tick duration to be (12 / 5.5)

12 / 5.5 = 2.18181818

3 / 1.05 = 2.85714285714 (this is your hot ticks 5% raid haste)

2.85714285714 / 2.18181818 = 1.3095238106

30.95% haste from gear is needed to achieve this to bring your rejuv tick time to 2.181818 with raid haste.

30.95 x 32.79 = 1014.8505

So 1015 haste rating is required.

TY so much kluian...much appreciated..I see where I made my mistake.

microdeath · 10/14/10, 12:07 PM

I know this, been playing affliction for a very long time. . . It's just that since UA is not so much talented now there's no points lost. Just tested on dummy and it seems to be doing more than the cookie cutter spec, just curious as to how much dps it would effect for our execute.

Terin · 10/14/10, 12:10 PM

I know it's not relevant to the most cutting-edge players around, but I'm curious, when you take the addition of Haste as well as Reforging Crit->Mastery into consideration, does Shadow's Edge finally outweigh Bryntroll? My DPS seems to go up with Shadow's Edge on a dummy, but I've yet to really be able to test the numbers in a raid (admittedly, it's all I can do just to get used to the new system; it's a blast, just more complex than pre-patch Unholy).

microdeath · 10/14/10, 12:13 PM

Since we can cast Curse of Elements on targets now also, I was interested to know if anyone has tried a 31/0/5 Spec with 3/3 Bane 2/2 Imp Immolate With Glyph of immolate>Glyph of Agony. Testing on the dummy in IF it seems to be doing more than the cookie cutter 2/3 Bane spec. Curious to see how bad the execute suffers from dot loss.

mascaras · 10/14/10, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Rennadrel

Hey guys, I have been doing some Ret testing this morning and things are a little better today. My initial thoughts after a night of raiding, reading what GC has said about melee getting buffed soon to compensate for the harsh DPS loss that we have seen (worse for Fury and Feral tbh) have changed my opinion a bit.

Toying with the test dummy today, I changed a couple of things around with the reforging and dropped Tiny Abomination in A Jar for heroic Deathbringer's Will combined with Herkuml War Token, I was sustaining DPS with Blessing of Might at 6800 single target on a heroic dummy. Since they have not hot fixed the issues with DPS balance, I would assume that the trinket has yielded me an increase of 1300 DPS prior to any changes that are coming. I did have to restore a couple of items since I dropped Tiny Abom which kept me at hit cap and had reforged extra hit to haste or mastery, and I reforged like 1 piece to keep me near expertise cap (24) without the Glyph of Truths which grants 10 expertise, so having Glyph of Judgment instead as a Prime I believe also improved my overall DPS and damage output.

I value any opinions on what I have tried, but I know that I was hitting 5500 on a target dummy self buffed yesterday before I got DBW and the Skeleton Lord's Circle from ICC, hitting 6800 sustained with a 7k peak with all procs and CD's blown isn't too bad.

I dont think ALL your dps increase today because you changed trinkets , i think they already "boost" the Paladin damage (HOW , Exo , ??) , yesterday i was only able to hit ~7k dps on dummie , today im doing 10k sustained (~11k pik) !! (same gear , same spec , same gems and same reforg used yesterday)

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hitrate · 10/14/10, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Warlike

Is it just me or from the logs from this weeks Icc the combat rogues doing the old eviscerate only rotation are having proper results?

Last night I messed up a bit during DB mostly because ui setup and latency queing SS`s before RvS ending up with some wasted combo points here and there but still managed to keep a good uptime on rupture but still got only about 14-15k Dps. "/

We did a 10 man icc last night, I went with a build other then the recommended, i have 0 points in relentless stirkes, 2 in coupe de gras (evis) and 3 in lethality, and I glyped for evis. I regemmed, and also reforged properly wound main hand, deadly off. Evis only rotation.

On marow, the assasination rogue in our guild who was around 500 to 800 dps behind me on every fight pre patch, out dps'd me by about 500 dps, on lady i beat him by 400 dps or so, but I never left the shield, he was on shield and adds. Saur was a different story, he was 1100dps higher then me on a fight where you stand still the whole time. as for rotation i was:

5cp slice - SS to either 3 or 4 points - RvS - Evis

I am not sure how to take that at this point because I did not have another Combat rogue to compare against. However, i feel like that combat spec in paticular starts out making way to much energy, and then slows down so bad that it just feels horrible. I was going through long sections where energy regen was just painfuly slow., and then sections where I could not spend it all.

enrik75 · 10/14/10, 12:38 PM

Hi guys,i have a question...at this point what's the rotation for fire spec? Lb>fb>hs proc >pyroblast etc...?

thx for the answers

kenpo · 10/14/10, 12:40 PM

anyone can post a talent tree for tanking

i forgot to say thanks!!!

thanksssssssssss

Ater of Silvermoon · 10/14/10, 12:43 PM

I have a question about trinkets and weapon.

According to the old threads here this was the trinketranking:
Tiny Abomination in a Jar(Heroic)>Tiny Abomination in a Jar>Sharpened Twilight Scale (heroic)>Death's Choice (heroic)>Whispering Fanged Skull (heroic)>Death's Choice>Sharpened Twilight Scale>Whispering Fanged Skull>Herkuml War Token>Deathbringer's Will(heroic)>Deathbringer's Will>DMC:Greatness (Strength)>Needle-Encrusted Scorpion>Banner of Victory

And this was the ranking for weapons:
Shadowmourne - > Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General - > Glorenzelg, High-Blade of the Silver Hand - > Bloodfall - > Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter - > Warmace of Menethil - > Cryptmaker - > Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General - > Glorenzelg, High-Blade of the Silver Hand - > Shadow's Edge - > Wrathful Gladiator's Claymore - > Oxheart - > Ramaladni's Blade of Culling - > Bloodfall - > Hersir's Greatspear - > Bryntroll, the Bone Arbitert

Has this changed or is it still the same rankings?

Smithereens · 10/14/10, 12:43 PM

Delete please. Misread

microdeath · 10/14/10, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tromar

You mean casting immo instead of ua? Since immo doesn't benefit from either mastery, se or haunt I find it hard to believe it would outperform the standard rotation.

Thats what i thought too but on the dummy it sure seems pretty close. I'm rubbish with theorycrafting so just thought i'd try to get some actual numbers. Immo just seems to be hitting alot harder than i thought it would. Also we could just throw UA up @ 26%

Guess im just reaching here as the new 31 point system sucks for customization.

Tjlock · 10/14/10, 12:46 PM

what about aoe for all specs any tips ?