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Old 10/17/10, 1:51 PM   #19921
joa
 
Orc Warrior
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Full ICC run today. I dont have logs but:
175 Exp rating -> 0 dogdes.

This guy reforged to mastery it seems, and doing 14k+ in 1mill dmg.
Anyone else tried the same route ? If so whats your results?

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Old 10/17/10, 2:06 PM   #19922
bibila
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Гордунни (EU)
he's got like 10% hit and is doing this on lvl 60 dummy therefore he won't miss...I want to see him on boss dummy with such hit, haste and crit...

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Old 10/17/10, 2:13 PM   #19923
Shaithis
Von Kaiser
 
Shaithis's Avatar
 
Undead Rogue
 
Cho'gall
I did some light testing on this last night (The 4.0.1 Rogue FAQ see post 345), and my data seems to suggest that the target dummy is level 81. Interestingly, dodges went from 2% to 0% when I went from 108 rating to 116.

I'm gonna do a raid in a little bit to see if this holds true vs actual boss targets.

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Old 10/17/10, 2:14 PM   #19924
Sodak
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Mal'Ganis
is anyone else praying they give us divine light on the infusion of light procs sooner rather than later?

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Old 10/17/10, 2:20 PM   #19925
Ezekial
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Emerald Dream
Would Black bruise be something to consider due to combat rogues having so much haste now?

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Old 10/17/10, 2:55 PM   #19926
Krootch
 
Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof (EU)
Hmm.. Personally, it doesn't make sense to use Unholy Presence. Seems to me like you're using it for the hell of it just because it's changed its effect. I still get much higher dps with Frost and my runes stay out of CD longer.

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Old 10/17/10, 2:55 PM   #19927
alt7
 
Gnome Mage
 
Азурегос (EU)
Read all 3 pages, still did find the answer.
I capped hit.
Now the top question - what is more important for arcane now. crit or haste ?
Im curious, all the time haste was important, now because of mana, i think crit is valuable during burn phase especially.
So, what to reforge to mastery, crit or haste ?
2nd Q: How much to reforge ?
Now i have (in armory) - 33.3% crit, 1308 haste.
Both trinkets with haste (Ruby Sanctum and ICC25).

Cant decide myself. Maybe profy already done theorycrafting ?

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Old 10/17/10, 3:08 PM   #19928
Krychek
Glass Joe
 
Troll Death Knight
 
Dun Modr (EU)
Originally Posted by Krootch View Post
Hmm.. Personally, it doesn't make sense to use Unholy Presence. Seems to me like you're using it for the hell of it just because it's changed its effect. I still get much higher dps with Frost and my runes stay out of CD longer.
So... no proofs just your feeling on doing more DPS on frost presence...

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Old 10/17/10, 3:15 PM   #19929
jelztin
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Runetotem (EU)
mana regen calculations

This is taken out of an internal guild discussion and below have been written by myself:

underneeth example is based on mage already having arc brill and mage armor + glyph, whom is spamming ab all the time:
Just got a realisation about the mana regen in raids... lets say i have 35k mana and ab still costs 2k with my 2.2 sec cast time (the cast time is going to be the variable in here and thereby indirectly my haste) i regen 3.6% of 35000 per 5 sec = 1260/5 = 252 per sec and i lose 909 by spamming ab (prob less due to humanity) mana loss per sec = 909-252= 657 mana per sec or 3285 per 5 sec BUT with 5%(bok/motw) increased mana pool (know its less but best i can do with a cellphone calc, and current circumstances) i have a regen of 1323 mp5 subtract that from mana use per 5 sec and u get a loss of 3222 mp5 (already lower than solo) and now you have the shaman buff of 92 mp5 meaning 3130 mp5 loss, then theres might another 92 resulting in 3038 mp5 loss... other contributing factors are crit (MoE, but has just been proven by EJ that this talents impact on dps i less than 1%) a huge factor is the clearcast effect that removes 10% mana spent of the ab cast cost (909*5*.1) which now brings us to a mana use of 2583.5!
one more thing that can contribute is replenishment 1% max mana over 10 sec this is .5% over 5 sec and brings in this example 183.75 mp5
all in all i come to the conclusion that within a nuke phase under the given circumstances will have a mana usage of ONLY 2399.75 or 480 mana/sec in a raid! in order to calc your mana regen under these circumstances exchange mana pool and ab cost with your own costs and pool size, and cast time use the same calculations as above (this is an expansion of the example i did earlier last night).. PLEASE do notice me of any buffs i (might) have missed so i can further improve these calculations and remember further mana regen buffs only decrease the amount of mana needed to regenerate...
my haste is at a very low 456 (rough 12%, there of the cast time of 2.2 sec) and crit at aprox 33% self buffed
but at this current mana loss rate one would lose 1.3% mana per sec and if you like me spam to aprox 70% (due to cds not lasting long enough to hit 40%, and then go to conserve phase) you could at that rate easily spam ab for 11 secs before you'd hit 85% mana which is just within the gem barrier (might be slightly below)...
as priorly mentioned these specific calculations are case specific and strictly related to my specific stats...

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Old 10/17/10, 3:20 PM   #19930
Dreelm74
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Rogue
 
Farstriders
Can't wait to get a good look at it, Antiarc.

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Old 10/17/10, 3:36 PM   #19931
Hussaren
 
Undead Warlock
 
Al'Akir (EU)
Warlock_401_Destruction; Sta=0.0183 Int=4.3956 SP=3.0227 Hit=5.9801 Crit=2.4842 Haste=3.1063 Mastery=3.1509

how does it comes that Int is worth more then haste, when I don't read anything else then how good haste is? shouldn't haste scale higher then Int until we reach the cap?

can't find a straight answer if I should prio "haste > int" or "int > haste"

Last edited by Hussaren : 10/17/10 at 4:04 PM.

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Old 10/17/10, 3:43 PM   #19932
Krootch
 
Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof (EU)
Hmm.. Personally, it doesn't make sense to use Unholy Presence. Seems to me like you're using it for the hell of it just because it's changed its effect. I still get much higher dps with Frost and my runes stay out of CD longer.

In Unholy Presence I hit around 4k average DPS, whereas in frost I'm at 5.5k. This is most probably dependant on my gear, but Frost does definitely works a lot better for me. Otherwise, good advice on the spec. Shame about the fact that Unholy is lacking in Major Glyphs compared to the other two specs.

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Old 10/17/10, 3:53 PM   #19933
skwumpy
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Mannoroth
Has the base GCD changed? It seems like its longer than 1.5sec now.

Last edited by skwumpy : 10/17/10 at 3:59 PM.

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Old 10/17/10, 4:00 PM   #19934
mcfancher
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Demon Soul
Well whenever my patch finishes downloading (next year) I can start working on making sense of all this.

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Old 10/17/10, 4:18 PM   #19935
frontfleezy
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Warrior
 
Shadowmoon
Originally Posted by joa View Post
Full ICC run today. I dont have logs but:
175 Exp rating -> 0 dogdes.

This guy reforged to mastery it seems, and doing 14k+ in 1mill dmg.
Anyone else tried the same route ? If so whats your results?
On the PTR before our live "buff" I reforged pure mastery leaving myself 8% hit and 26 expertise and was doing ~4k on the dummies. It would make a massive difference being on a level 60 dummy, seeing how you are able to reforge full mastery while getting the benefits of being "hit capped" vs a dummy of that level.

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