Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1338

durions · 10/18/10, 11:09 PM

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

my World of logs for the 17th same gear as now i reforged all of my haste into mastery and i pop all my cooldowns at start and when up. i gemed all int (some gems are off because lack of money) doing this repeatedly gave a 7k dps increase and even toped rank 5 on wol for blood princes for icc 10

use the parse how u want. i hope this parse is usefull in some way but imo mastery>crit>haste

ehh im ganna trust everyone here and stack haste again :| idk it was awsome to see a 106k ab on sindragosa

Sixdprime · 10/18/10, 11:12 PM

I am testing the following casting strategy on my mage:
1) 4xAB (Warm up)
2) CDs
3) ABspam to 40% mana (Big burn)
4) Evoke to 100% mana
5) ABspam to 75% mana (Small burn)
6) 2xAB AM/ABarr until Mirror Image is available (Conserve)
Repeat

This strategy is based on Mastery not being super-important, except in the burn phases. Here is further explanation:
1) Warm up: 4xAB gets AB power up to max before popping CDs to maximize CD impact, and mana gem covers lost mana
2) CDs: Mirror, AP, mana gem, Talisman of Resurgence (max Int for Conserve phase with SP boost for burn), Potion of Speed (tests as ~1000 dps better than Potion of Wild Magic)
3) Big burn: as per standard
4) Evoke: as per standard
5) Small burn: No CDs, but more DPS than Conserve phase
6) Conserve: as per standard. This cycle is moderately mana positive. By the time Mirror is available, mana is over 90%, so even after warm up, mana gem returns mana to ~100% for the big burn.

This makes sense in my head, but it is very hard to test on dummies because Evoke causes Recount to time-out on in-combat mode. 1-3 is seen as one fight and 5-6 is seen as a separate fight. Can someone run a simulation on this strategy on a pre-Cata 80?

nostie · 10/19/10, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sixdprime

I am testing the following casting strategy on my mage:
1) 4xAB (Warm up)
2) CDs
3) ABspam to 40% mana (Big burn)
4) Evoke to 100% mana
5) ABspam to 75% mana (Small burn)
6) 2xAB AM/ABarr until Mirror Image is available (Conserve)
Repeat

This strategy is based on Mastery not being super-important, except in the burn phases. Here is further explanation:
1) Warm up: 4xAB gets AB power up to max before popping CDs to maximize CD impact, and mana gem covers lost mana
2) CDs: Mirror, AP, mana gem, Talisman of Resurgence (max Int for Conserve phase with SP boost for burn), Potion of Speed (tests as ~1000 dps better than Potion of Wild Magic)
3) Big burn: as per standard
4) Evoke: as per standard
5) Small burn: No CDs, but more DPS than Conserve phase
6) Conserve: as per standard. This cycle is moderately mana positive. By the time Mirror is available, mana is over 90%, so even after warm up, mana gem returns mana to ~100% for the big burn.

This makes sense in my head, but it is very hard to test on dummies because Evoke causes Recount to time-out on in-combat mode. 1-3 is seen as one fight and 5-6 is seen as a separate fight. Can someone run a simulation on this strategy on a pre-Cata 80?

Everything makes sense here except for the "Small burn". This small burn is entirely pointless. The problem with it is that once you get to 75% mana and then conserve, you're not getting the full benefit of your mastery. You'd start your "conserve" phase at 75% mana and then slowly work your way up to 100% instead of staying close to 100% the entire time. You want to stay as close to 100% mana as you can without actually hitting 100% (so that you can continue to regenerate mana, obviously). The idea that your mastery isn't super important except in burn phases is nonsense. Can you explain why you think that that's the case?

Toom · 10/19/10, 12:06 AM

Hey EJ's.

I won't know any of the new folk... but any of the vets going to blizzcon?
I barely even play anymore, but am curious if there are any old friends (or enemies) of mine are going.

This is Toom...or Taomi.
former co-leader of GS beta and post launch.

i hope this post doesn't break any rules and destroy my cred, or remove DKP from my tally.

/megavipers forever.

cbgoding · 10/19/10, 12:13 AM

Did some quick testing, managed to break 18k tps on Sartharion using the standard rotation and popping a haste pot, engineering gloves, death wish, and bloodlust. Since damage scales with threat much more linearly now, that's about 23.4k tps in icc.

I would definitely hold back on blowing your cooldowns until close to 20 seconds after combat begins.

brynn217 · 10/19/10, 12:31 AM

I have a few questions.... when I mouse over the crit stat now, it says my crit is at 1000% (21.78).. However just signing on I have the APx2 buff, putting my Crit at 52.43%, taking it off, the crit is at 37.43%... but what does that 21.78% stat mean? Is that a new cap for Crit? can i drop my crit that low and exchange it for more Mastery? and still be Crit Capped?

And is that correct for Arcane Mages? the new hit cap is going to be 21%? I am at 12% now....

Are there are proportions for Mastery>Haste>Crit yet? I believe Mastery is almost the same importance as Sp now since it adds to Sp directly and Sp has always been valued more than both haste and crit...

In my case, I wrote a mage guild for my guild months ago and i have been using this exact rotation since May... I have tested alot of variations of it, but reading thru these posts, I got all the same conclusions... I have always kept a good mana rotation while in a fight... only on rare occasions (like a bad evo stoppage) do I run out... I just got 4.0.1 2 days ago and yet to do an ICC, still trying to get all my addons working.... and now checking out the new gear setup....

Now in my case... I have a 6071GS, mostly 264 gear, so my sp is just over 3.1k.... I did gem just about everything with +23 SP except my yellow slots which I think now will be all haste or hit... will drop the Crit gems if tHAT 21.78% IS REALLY A CAP?

I think this is really gonna benifit us... even in the long run....

Brynn

Shalance · 10/19/10, 12:47 AM

To be honest I don't understand the gemming portion of the OP. It says to aim to get any socket bonus you can regardless of the color. Am I missing something? Was this only intended for post cata? I thought our attacks were still based off of attack power, and that is based off of strength? If I gem for hit, etc and go for socket bonuses I lose strength over all. With my current gear I would lose 66 strength from 10 gear items. Why would I not gem straight strength and reforge for hit etc? As a Frost DW I thought strength was still our heaviest stat?

If we did go for socket bonuses and gemmed for hit etc, we could then reforge those stats we gemmed for into mastery instead. But we are adding mastery at the cost of strength. What am I missing?

Shalance · 10/19/10, 12:52 AM

I'm also curious. Maybe its a taboo question and don't flame me if it is... So simms aside, what are the top players actually doing for DPS against single target non moving bosses like Festergut? Or if not the top players, what about solid well geared players? Theory is great, and I love theorycrafting, but what do the numbers say where the rubber meets the road? Im curious because I want something to aim for. =-)

mcfancher · 10/19/10, 12:59 AM

My biggest trouble it seems is finding all these caps. I know that Hit Cap is 8% and your suggesting that 30% for Haste is a pretty solid number, but then you mention the caps for Crit and stuff. Do these numbers exist?

dres · 10/19/10, 1:02 AM

Hello,

1. Has anyone tested it on live or beta, is Hunting Party still bugged, which slows our focus regen?
2. How is ‘ranged weapon damage' calculated in our Specials and Wild Quiver？ DPS * Weapon Speed?

snirgol · 10/19/10, 1:03 AM

Originally Posted by Shalance

I'm also curious. Maybe its a taboo question and don't flame me if it is... So simms aside, what are the top players actually doing for DPS against single target non moving bosses like Festergut? Or if not the top players, what about solid well geared players? Theory is great, and I love theorycrafting, but what do the numbers say where the rubber meets the road? Im curious because I want something to aim for. =-)

your best bet would be to go through world of logs:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Shareel · 10/19/10, 1:36 AM

EDIT: Deleted. Missread the former posting.

liyushen · 10/19/10, 2:04 AM

Refer to [Glyph of Divine Protection]
It no longer provides physical damage reduction.
Just test it this morning.

vikingo · 10/19/10, 2:23 AM

Hello guys,

I have read all over about fury warriors, my own is a 6241 on a US bonechewer realm (vikingo) I tried allot before the stealth buff, and still even more after that. What I have noticed to be the best for me now:

regem everything to hit, im at about 25.66% hit
i reforged everything to mastery, I brought down the crit, I have allot of the Prior BIS (leather gear which had lots of crit) I thought haste was going to be very important.

Prior to the stealth buff I was pulling 6k peaks down to 5k constnt with that same scheme (on target dummy)
after buff with that same scheme I am at 11k peaks, with a constant 8.5-9k (on target dummy)

I was self buffed.

Ive also tried a 10m LK 1p just to see numbers and I was peaking to 18k, however, I did do VOA 25 with a 11k peak and 9-10k constant dps.

My best rotation seems to be, BT-HS-RB (slam on proc) and using both CDs right after first cycle.

I, think Im going to stay with this gem/reforge stats for now, till reset and see how a real ICC 25HM heroic goes.

Im not great in math, and I tend to just a trial and error kinda guy, if anyone know how this could improve, im willing to spend the gold and time to regem/refordge to see what goes better.

Im also still inclined to stay with the leather gear, like Heroic Frostbitten fur boots, and Heroic Aldriannas Gloves of Secrecy. However, I dont know what to think about breaking our lame set bonus, the 4 set bonus is allright givng 5% extra damage, but the 2 set is just useless for fury, so if anyone has any thoughts about gear plate> heroic leather. Let me know about that. Im pretty sure I should change my regular Tosks for the HM Polar bear, and the putricide leather belt for the Dreamwalker belt of the Vendor plate belt.

If you have any questions or comments let me know, for what Im reading were all on the same track as for rotation and stats, I dont see much gear discussion thus far.

ty.

vikingo · 10/19/10, 2:24 AM

Hello guys,

I have read all over about fury warriors, my own is a 6241 on a US bonechewer realm (vikingo) I tried allot before the stealth buff, and still even more after that. What I have noticed to be the best for me now:

regem everything to hit, im at about 25.66% hit
i reforged everything to mastery, I brought down the crit, I have allot of the Prior BIS (leather gear which had lots of crit) I thought haste was going to be very important.

Prior to the stealth buff I was pulling 6k peaks down to 5k constnt with that same scheme (on target dummy)
after buff with that same scheme I am at 11k peaks, with a constant 8.5-9k (on target dummy)

I was self buffed.

Ive also tried a 10m LK 1p just to see numbers and I was peaking to 18k, however, I did do VOA 25 with a 11k peak and 9-10k constant dps.

My best rotation seems to be, BT-HS-RB (slam on proc) and using both CDs right after first cycle.

I, think Im going to stay with this gem/reforge stats for now, till reset and see how a real ICC 25HM heroic goes.

Im not great in math, and I tend to just a trial and error kinda guy, if anyone know how this could improve, im willing to spend the gold and time to regem/refordge to see what goes better.

Im also still inclined to stay with the leather gear, like Heroic Frostbitten fur boots, and Heroic Aldriannas Gloves of Secrecy. However, I dont know what to think about breaking our lame set bonus, the 4 set bonus is allright givng 5% extra damage, but the 2 set is just useless for fury, so if anyone has any thoughts about gear plate> heroic leather. Let me know about that. Im pretty sure I should change my regular Tosks for the HM Polar bear, and the putricide leather belt for the Dreamwalker belt of the Vendor plate belt.

If you have any questions or comments let me know, for what Im reading were all on the same track as for rotation and stats, I dont see much gear discussion thus far.

ty.