You should really read up before posting. There are only 2 pages on this subject and the answers are clear.

The exact numbers you should re-forge haste unless the amount of crit on the items is 1.2167 times the number of haste on the item.

My 2c on current mana situation and scorching in Cataclysm.


I really don't like having to scorch for a few reasons.


1. As already mentioned it will create imbalance based on fight length. Or will you be screwed without replenishment and don't want to raid unless the group is set up properly?


2. Scorch might be too fast as a cast to use as a main nuke in raids. I realize during heroism would be times you'd use fireball, but depending on haste values, it could get annoying.


3. I simply don't think it's fun being gimped because you dont have proper mana batteries in raids, having to drink mana pots every encounter.


4. It's not fun having to spend 7 points on mana management in a talent tree. The point of fewer talents was also that we could choose a few flavour and fun talents, not going back to 100% forced raidspecs.


5. We still have to AOE, which is VERY mana intensive, totally destroying any hope of fireballing for extended times in those fights.

As for adding more skill or thought to the spec:


A more elegant sollution would be to reduce the CD on combustion, as that is a more fun skillbased way to seperate good from bad mages, and with a lower CD we could use it more often.

Also increasing the duration on the impact buff would be good, since you could actually time it properly. (increasing the buff duration would be a great fix as it doesnt imbalance it for pvp, because you wouldnt want to waste a proc, but for PVE the stun isnt important, and you'd rather wait for a proper time with dots)

I prefer the improved scorch talent rather be a mana support talent, which you can use incase you AOE'd too much, wasted your evocation, so you're not totally screwed in those cases. Or in PVP where mana might be more limited.

I also realize not all mages are pro elitist jerks mages, and it has to be possible to play without doing everything perfect and knowing fight length of every fight beforehand.
Or what about the new mage that doesnt know you'd absolutely need imp scorch in his firespec, running out of mana 1/3 into a fight with no options left.

Something is way wrong with that Log. That's not the functionality I've been seeing with the "fixed" HAT.

Shakuras only threw 10 CP generating attacks in that entire log (8 Ambush crits, 2 Backstabs). For 117 Evis and 1 Rupture.

I played Sub back when HAT was originally broken. And it is not generating CPs for me like that. However, that log DOES look like that is the case. Maybe he's exploiting something? Or maybe when they fixed it, it was broken for a few hours.

Right now Backstab is my #1 dmg dealer as PVE Sub by a fairly large margin (This will only get larger at level 85 with access to PW). What I find somewhat disturbing as well is that melee damage, WP, and DP make up nearly 50% of my damage. I just don't think Sub as a spec had much thought put into it in terms of synergy. Our mastery effects the smallest portion of our dmg. Just seems weird to me.

I read here somewhere that crit is now better than haste for Arcane because slower casts and higher crit = harder hitting spells, more crits and slower mana consumption with the benefit of MoE.

I regemmed from +10 int / +10 haste to +10 int / +10 Crit

Now I am reading that Haste is still better than crit..

Was regemming a mistake?

umm.. I believe I have been Evocating at 30%, I use X-perl and I watch the actual values, my mana at 100% is 34k and I let it drop to 10k or close before I evo... sometimes your spams of AB are going so fast you still get 2 off before Evo starts so hitting it at 11k will still make it for that 30%... 35% will get that actual value somewhere near 15k mana...

Now also, I more question... since they are doing away with SP on gear, are they also going to do away with the +23 SP Gem? I have found that ANYTHING that increases Sp is more valuable than Crit and Haste...Including Mastery, which I am switching all my Spirit out for so far..... there is a certain balance at EVERY Gear Score, at 5300, at 5800, at 6100 and at 6700.... For example.. at 6k GS, you get your Haste at 1k or close (950 atleast) and your Crit atleast at 32% then EVERYTHING else goes to SP... there is a base value balance that I've found... this is why I ignore the slot types for Blue and Gemed all +23 gems and even for yellow if I am at my base values... it gives more sp... BUT now that Int gives SP, that split Int gem may actually work out better than a +23 Sp Gem.... any stats on this yet?

How much Int equals +23 Sp?

I'm pretty confident it's not so much a bug in the traditional sense as it is an unintended feature. Hopefully this is something they change in the future.

There's no longer any sp gem. Everything has been converted to int. The default sp gem is now +20 int, all the +23 sp gems you had are converted to this, and any +12sp+10 int gems are converted to +10 int +10 spirit.

http://elitistjerks.com/f23/t27839-t...5/#post1775001 shows that it is true, were it not for overzealous moderation you would even have something to refer to.

ok.... so that answers the question... +20 Int=+23 Sp... Since SP still shows as a Stat when you look at the character then we now have multiple ways to control that value... Int, Mastery and Geming.... I will play with it later today and see if at my current GS if i can come out with a higher SP then I had previously... I didn't actually check the gems I had in my gear yesturday.. (I stopped playing for 2 months and just got back on this weeekend) but my SP Stat was still about the same it was in AUG so whatever changes they made, the results still come out the same... I am just wondering if the changes are directly portional or can we tweak out more sp now?

It is now possible to reach the unhittable cap with "regular" gear thanks to reforging, and it's even easier for pallies, with Holy Shield. Interesting thread about it:

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After 4.0.1 you can manage just as good with any mage spec while leveling. But if I were to level a mage again and to choose one spec over the others it would have to be frost. I cannot imagine the fun you could have with all the freezes, slows, shatters you can throw at mobs as you level.