Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1347

phancythat · 10/20/10, 2:09 AM

Have say nitro boots from engineering and also the enchantment for 8% run speed increase on that same set of boots?

• Hamlet · 10/20/10, 2:48 AM

That would give up the 3% Chaotic bonus in order to free up your boots for . . . Icewalker?

zinnin · 10/20/10, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by Capslock

I've been trying to figure out why blizzard nerfed drain soul. From what calculations i've run it works out equal dps between Destro in its current state and Affliction in its pre nerf state.

I am right or have I missed something key?

The key thing that I would look at is the fact that the simcraft profiles aren't completely accurate yet. Before the nerf, drain soul was hitting like a truck and was making Affliction a bit OP. If you look at these logs, which show me and a very equally skilled and geared destro lock, you can see that Affliction and Destro are very much closer then simulationcraft suggests.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Those are Rotface, Festergut, and Saurfang parses. You can look through the rest, however the rest of the fights depend a lot more on movement and don't really show the differences between the specs.

Faveokatro · 10/20/10, 2:57 AM

I've been wondering what numbers other Booms have been seeing on Beta? I was at ~15k (14-14.5k with offhealing and tranqing) on Chimaeron, which is a fairly simple stand and shoot other than the stacking. This was 10s, though with the new buff system I'm not sure if we were missing any but the major ones were there.

The reason I ask is because a war was hovering at 16-17.5 so I felt like I was missing something. A destro lock bounced between 13 and 16 and I'm not sure if it was RNG or sloppy rotations. Nobody else consistently beat me in the 3 raids I've been in thus far with reputable 12/12 guilds, so I know I'm not doing something egregiously wrong.

fbondt · 10/20/10, 3:23 AM

When running an instance, I am unable to change my totems after the first pull...

Palmzx · 10/20/10, 3:43 AM

Originally Posted by zinnin

The key thing that I would look at is the fact that the simcraft profiles aren't completely accurate yet. Before the nerf, drain soul was hitting like a truck and was making Affliction a bit OP. If you look at these logs, which show me and a very equally skilled and geared destro lock, you can see that Affliction and Destro are very much closer then simulationcraft suggests.

I completely agree with you 100%. One reason the sims are not accurate are two things. First, the BiS they are using are not actually BiS for affliction locks. Sim's are still using spirit gear. Secondly, the sims don't factor in Mastery which is an important value for drain life AND drain soul (yes drain soul is affected from Mastery). I understand this goes along side with demo, destro and SB spam afflic locks too- our mastery values. We all need Mastery. Hint, we don't get a clear sim. Mastery has basically pooched simcrafts for 4.0.1. I too am out dpsing our Destro lock, not by considerable margins for immobile fights, but easily I am putting out the most dps for encounters.

First week before the nerf . Also I was Drain Life specced. 34% mastery or 21 points

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Second week after the nerf. 18% Mastery. speced 31/0/5 Using SB as a filler

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I can already tell the nerf didnt bring my dps down an average of 3k dps. It just doesn't seem possible. Not giving myself too much credit but being 6th on the rankings for Festergut, outgeared by the top 100 or so warlocks ( the majority or almost all were SB speced). Seems only plausible that Drain Life speced warlocks COULD be the top dps right now.

Edit: I could very well be wrong. I don't have conclusive evidence right now. Drain Soul was a majority of my DPS.
Edit 2: Our top dps warlock for Festergut & Rotface this week was speced for Drain life.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Valustria · 10/20/10, 4:10 AM

Now that there are no weapon specializations, has anyone reconsidered the value of [Black Bruise] versus [Bloodvenom Blade]? I picked up the fist last week, and now that crit capping through CQC isn't an issue, and combat can stack haste via gems and reforging, I'm very curious if it's worth using over the sword.

Greyhawk · 10/20/10, 4:49 AM

Have anyone tested the 15% buff on Nature's blessing?

During last raid we we're waiting alot on ppl due to random DC's, porting problems, Ghost speeds etc etc, and I spend some time just spamming heals, and I saw no difference between a Earth shielded target and a non shielded target. All my healing surges had normal hits between 13-14500 and criticals between 20-22k. But ofc this was just checked looking at the combat log, so I just wanted to ask if anyone has done any real testing on this?

M� nze · 10/20/10, 4:53 AM

I'm sitting at 1349 haste atm with my wl alt, should i regem (60 int for 60 haste) to reach 1406 haste for an extra tick on immo?
It would also be nice to see some notes about it on the OP, like at which haste levels it would be wothwhile to do so, like e.g "gem haste, haste/int instead of 20int to get to the "softcap" if you are at ~1.3k haste ".

Raykee · 10/20/10, 5:01 AM

Originally Posted by phancythat

Have say nitro boots from engineering and also the enchantment for 8% run speed increase on that same set of boots?

What do you mean? It is possible to have both enchants, and both work afaik.

Innulock · 10/20/10, 5:06 AM

Originally Posted by Palmzx

I can already tell the nerf didnt bring my dps down an average of 3k dps. It just doesn't seem possible. Not giving myself too much credit but being 6th on the rankings for Festergut, outgeared by the top 100 or so warlocks ( the majority or almost all were SB speced). Seems only plausible that Drain Life speced warlocks COULD be the top dps right now.

First off, nice dps Palmz, but your reading of the WoL parses seems a bit wrong. In the parse of the first week Festergut you do ~22.5k dps, in the second week ~17.5K dps, sounds like a decent dps drop to me. Same story for the Rotface fight, but the dps difference is smaller there; 20k vs 18k.

I know that even these fights are not perfect tank'n'spank and can have fight dependent dps changes from week to week, but you can't deny you lost quite some dps on the two most stable fights in icc just over one week time.

Burka · 10/20/10, 5:56 AM

I'm really sorry if my following post is off-topic. But there is something which may be intersting appears on off. forums regarding the current DPS of Enh. Shamans.

Piatachock · 10/20/10, 5:57 AM

Can anybody say something about H: Black Bruise as MH-weapon? Is it worthwhile to change H: Bloodvenom Blade to this? I can't test it properly

Capslock · 10/20/10, 6:04 AM

Originally Posted by zinnin

The key thing that I would look at is the fact that the simcraft profiles aren't completely accurate yet. Before the nerf, drain soul was hitting like a truck and was making Affliction a bit OP. If you look at these logs, which show me and a very equally skilled and geared destro lock, you can see that Affliction and Destro are very much closer then simulationcraft suggests.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Those are Rotface, Festergut, and Saurfang parses. You can look through the rest, however the rest of the fights depend a lot more on movement and don't really show the differences between the specs.

Simcraft is what it is, a simulation. There are often quite big differences between simulations and the real. I was looking at my own personal dps. Now obviously my gear isnt BiS as i'm in a 10 man guild. I have reforged out of crit into haste where possible or otherwise mastery. I'm hit capped.

Before the patch my dps as Affliction was about 1.5k above my dps as destruction. The patch hit and whilst my overall dps went up the difference was about the same. They hotfixed drain soul and suddenly my destro dps is 3k above my affliction dps.

Below is the log from our last raid. We were trying some hardmodes for the first time hence some of the wipes and trying to do Lich King with 3 melee dps isnt advisable especially when they had the habit of stunning valkyr in defile.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

nadoo · 10/20/10, 6:05 AM

expertise cap has been tested to death in the sticked cataclysm warrior changes thread here at EJ. looks like 5.6-5.7% dodge chance, 22 exp as lemina said.

I also agree I'm finding HS is not as good as either BT or RB per point of rage. So seems reasonable to conclude HS should be used only if you have excess rage (HS still greater than slam last time i checked though).

If you were going for pure damage it would be HS-> RB -> BT. When looking at recount, keep in mind that raging blow shows up as two hits instead of 1 so it's damage is twice what it shows.

but on this point I think its still HS > BT > RB for an unlimited rage situation. BT strikes twice during the same period as RB strikes once (6sec). Delaying one BT also delays the follow BT's and 2xBT > RB.