Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1348

BlitzkriegAl · 10/20/10, 6:10 AM

I actually did a 25m normal Dreamwalker and got around 19k HPS. My strategy going in was to keep Rejuv up and spam Regrowth except during Lust, where I would spam HT. I think I could do better with just spamming HT (with Rejuv up, of course) the whole time. I honestly don't feel like Lifebloom has a higher HPS than HT, but someone who's done the math may prove me wrong. Back in 3.3.3, I'm pretty sure Lifebloom's bloom wasn't affected by those things you collect in the dream realm, so I thought it might have translated over to 4.0.1.

zinnin · 10/20/10, 6:37 AM

The big thing, I think, is that the normal affliction profile isn't the way to go. If you reforge mastery correctly the Affliction drain life spec is very much above the normal Affliction spec.

If you look at the logs I posted a few posts ago we also had a normal Affliction spec lock and the dps he put out was no where near destro \ afflic_drain. But always take the simcraft meters with a grain of salt and actually test things out yourself. A lot of times when the specs are close enough the spec your better at will do better for you. If you suck at destro and play it just because the simcraft profile says that its better, chances are you will still suck at destro.

Long story short; look at what simcraft is a tool to increase your DPS, but doesn't show how well you can play a spec.

scaffold · 10/20/10, 6:40 AM

Originally Posted by Palmzx

Not giving myself too much credit but being 6th on the rankings for Festergut, outgeared by the top 100 or so warlocks ( the majority or almost all were SB speced). Seems only plausible that Drain Life speced warlocks COULD be the top dps right now.

Edit: I could very well be wrong. I don't have conclusive evidence right now. Drain Soul was a majority of my DPS.

Your Festergut parse is inflated by tons of people dying at about the start of execute phase, which led to a very long sub 25% where the pre nerf Drain Soul had you spiking over 53k DPS. This is where real enounters differ from a simulated Patchwerk.

Invisible · 10/20/10, 7:12 AM

Originally Posted by SublimeBL

Quick question on haste:
I'm seeing that the haste from Improved Unholy Presence isn't showing up on my tooltip. If that's the case, should I only be aiming for about 25% haste for the "soft cap" on haste? Or still be shooting for 30%?

hi there i tried to shoot for 30% m8 and it worked fine. i suggest u try and see

Voric · 10/20/10, 7:18 AM

Originally Posted by kazoozle

Voric, I disagree with your ability priority. Every parse I have from dummys and raids shows Raging Blow being the most efficient followed by bloodthirst followed by heroic strike in terms of damage per rage. Yes, heroic strike hits harder, but it's not hitting 50% harder than a raging blow or bloodthirst as the rage increase would suggest. In a rage-unlimited situation pure damage would be the key, but given the new need for some conservation, you're better off going for the more efficient use.

I think the disparity of finding raging blow as the least damaging comes from it registering as two separate hits so the average damage would be double what recount shows.

I'm definitely gonna have to test out the expertise thing

If you're having rage problems I suppose I would agree with you but if you follow my setup you won't really ever have Rage problems. I just tested it again and I still come to the same conclusion HS>BT>RB. I only can tell you this try it out follow the steps I've wrote above and I guarantee you that you will see a boost in dps.

morranor · 10/20/10, 7:47 AM

Originally Posted by meddie

noticing that improved soul fire does not reapply the buff if you cast soul fire while improved soulfire is already up.
If I get an empowered imp proc and my imp soulfire buff is still active. given that I have 8 secs to use the proc is it worth waiting for the current imp soulfire buff to drop before I use the proc or should I use the proc instantly in the hope of another.
Wondering if there is a cut off point when it becomes more efficient to wait for the imp soulfire to drop before using the proc

Improved soul fire is a 15 sec cooldown effect. Think read tooltips before posting would be great for all.

nadoo · 10/20/10, 8:02 AM

but HS has no priority clash with BT and RB apart from rage. it's not on the GCD.
so saying HS is number 1 priority suggests that you should spend your rage on HS rather than BT and/or RB if you have to choose, which is not true.

Yami Bakura · 10/20/10, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

The OP has been updated with numbers from reforged gear.

EDIT: And now the scale factors are updated as well. Note that the new gear is above the 1406 "sweet spot" for haste.

Does this mean that if you can reach the 1406 haste cap, you must do it and if not you must full reforge mastery?

Cause I don't really know what to do T_T

Serivola · 10/20/10, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by nadoo

but on this point I think its still HS > BT > RB for an unlimited rage situation. BT strikes twice during the same period as RB strikes once (6sec). Delaying one BT also delays the follow BT's and 2xBT > RB.

For unlimited Rage you will use a rotation of BT-RB-BT-Space and again where the space can be filled with either Slam, shouts or even WW if you like.
If you have limited rage the only thing you have to look at is DPRage and in this point RB wins. Of course if you reach 100 Rage while using HS and RB on CD you should use BT but it is not recommended to spend your rage on BT while not have enough for RB then.

Voric · 10/20/10, 8:37 AM

Originally Posted by nadoo

but HS has no priority clash with BT and RB apart from rage. it's not on the GCD.
so saying HS is number 1 priority suggests that you should spend your rage on HS rather than BT and/or RB if you have to choose, which is not true.

A. Nadoo to prove my point have you A. Tried what I said out at all on a Target Dummy and or Boss fights?
B. The answer is probably no and how much are you doing on the Target Dummy and or Boss fights right now doing it your way?
C. I will guarantee you not as much as I am.
D. HS is your number #1 Priority obviously you can que it up with BT and other abilities only if you have the required rage to do so. But if you stop telling me I'm wrong and actually try it you're gonna see the difference.

Voric · 10/20/10, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Serivola

For unlimited Rage you will use a rotation of BT-RB-BT-Space and again where the space can be filled with either Slam, shouts or even WW if you like.
If you have limited rage the only thing you have to look at is DPRage and in this point RB wins. Of course if you reach 100 Rage while using HS and RB on CD you should use BT but it is not recommended to spend your rage on BT while not have enough for RB then.

Seeing that Heroic Strike does more damage than BT and RB and BT coming 2nd to HS, You should be using HS with something else and never letting HS sit , Hit it when its up and never leave it on cool down and again I don't have rage problems doing HS>BT>RB. If you want please do use Wow parses or Recount or Skada and show me what your ending damage is after 2 million damage.

Serivola · 10/20/10, 8:48 AM

Originally Posted by Voric

You should be using HS with something else and never letting HS sit

I don't get your point...

And because I forgot to ask...

Originally Posted by Voric

I tried Haste for hit and saw a good 700 + in dps loss.

Did you also tried Haste for Crit?

Darkguyver2020 · 10/20/10, 8:48 AM

I dunno if this has been addressed and I'm too lazy to search through previous posts to find out, but is Glyph of Scourge Strike Additive or Multiplicative?

Alphapix · 10/20/10, 9:11 AM

I'm having trouble believing hit is as great it is said to be past the 8% mark for DW'ers. I know you didn't just pull it out of your hat, but hear me out:

- I did some testing on the "boss" dummy in Ebon Hold with 10% hit and got repeateadly 7k. I reforged to get up to 23% hit, and lost 1k on the dummy. Random factors?

- If you get EP's with Kahorie, it confirms hit should be the most important thing. But when I just simulate a run with non-reforged DW gear (~10% hit) and then reforge them to get over 20%, I get a drop in DPS. Couldn't there possibly be a problem with EP calculation?

- Even if hit is the best stat, it only affects (directly anyway) melee attacks, ie single-target damage. Knowing frost DKs shine in AOE, wouldn't hit be better to go for mastery above all to increase that trend?

xtremedin · 10/20/10, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by CrazyScot

I am in the process of finishing the first draft of the Holy Paladin thread. It should be up in the next 48 hours (if I stop re-reading and adding more detail)

think it's going to be a very detailed thread