Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1352

T.K. · 10/20/10, 7:14 PM

Originally Posted by Zalinda

Following the same line of reasoning, you can also infer that the Censure DoT ticking speed is a bug. With some nifty seal twisting and proc watching you could end up having haste make a serious change in DPS done, this can't possibly be intended.
-> Start with SoR, pop a speed pot prior to the pull, judge for the haste buff, wait for a haste trinket proc (hope it procs before speed pot runs out), and only if all of the right things happen start wth SoT to have Censure ticking at the fastest possible speed for the entire duration of the fight (asuming you can keep it going). You can probably even find some more stuff to add onto this for even more (temporary) haste that then keeps being applied.

Edit: You could even use the level 60 BWL pala trinket (Scrolls of Blinding Light - Item - World of Warcraft) which has an OnUse haste proc (I'm not sure if there's newer/better ones with an onuse haste) prior to the pull and swap to a better trinket for the rest. This isn't the sort of things blizzard tend to like. Expect a change, though it may take them a while.

Edit2: have a backup weapon, enchanted with black magic, use that on the pull and hope it procs before the speedpot and onuse trinket runs out.

They reworked the programming for DoTs speeding. It recalculates (I think, not sure right now when the refresh happens) every tick sequence or every refresh, so you can't roll anymore for mega speed DoTs like warlocks used to do, for example.

It's their intention that all DoTs in the game scale from haste and I see no reasoning why this would not follow the rule.

doser · 10/20/10, 8:27 PM

As soon as you hit an Immolate tick plateau you should immediately stop reforging/gemming for haste and switch to gemming for int and reforging for mastery (where applicable).

For instance,

If you have 1,300 haste from gear: you should gem/reforge until you can get to 1406 and absolutely no less. If you can't do that then don't bother trying.

Enigmafury · 10/20/10, 8:41 PM

should i try to push my haste to get to the 1560 unbuffed(thus having the opportunity to get the 9th tick with hastepot or black magic+engi gloves proc?) or it is better to leave 1406 and invest into mastery etc?

Stormlock · 10/20/10, 9:41 PM

Can anyone give me an idea of how good the new Lifeblood (240 haste rating for 20 seconds 2 min CD) is for a Mut spec compared to other tradeskills, assuming you use it optimally (During a bloodlust phase with Vendetta and the like running)

patriot1burke · 10/20/10, 9:44 PM

Originally Posted by Flamingcloud

This is wrong for a couple reasons.

For starters haste is 1/(1+haste %) not 1 - haste %.

So 30% haste gets you
1/1.3 * 3 = 2.308
15 / 2.308 = 6.5 = 7 ticks.

IE, you get the 7th tick at 6.5 not at 7.

Ok, finally found this. So based on this formula you should prioritize +int/+mastery for gems/reforging unless you can break these thresholds for haste%:

13% haste (6 ticks)
29% haste (7 ticks)
50% haste (8 ticks)
etc...

For myself, I can't get up to the 29% (around 25% max) threshold so going +int/mastery is the best until I get to around 13% haste. I got these numbers right? This showed up in significantly (around +10% dps) in dummy runs.

Thanks for your help guys, EJ FTW. I love when new patches come out and you have to re-figure out max dps!

Restruction · 10/20/10, 11:49 PM

Hey there fellow rogues just have two questions today,

So 4.0 is out and about and I've seen the combat and subtlety guides, but alas no assassination guide. Is this the preference of the writer? or has assassination fallen behind in dps?

Further more I have recently obtained both Heartpierce and Rib Spreader, both non heroic, which is the better of the two?

Grullander · 10/21/10, 12:24 AM

I was wondering if we could get an updated bit of info here...I'm relly in the dark here with regards to mastery.

Risuchan · 10/21/10, 12:39 AM

Are we still (assuming equal dps on both weapons) putting fast in the MH and slow on the OH with IP MH and DP OH?

Or is that no longer optimal?

I have been looking and have not found info on this.

Also, since white hit and mastery are weighted about equally for mut according to the FAQ, is going 50/50 the best route since having more of one makes the other a little better, and vice versa? That is kind of what I did on my gear.

Taro · 10/21/10, 12:44 AM

I've recently been hammering out my rotation with the help of CLCInfo, and a retadin who recently transferred to my guild informed me that Consecration was useless now, as it was a huge mana drain and didn't do much. I took his advice and removed it from my bars, and reglyphed to Glyph of Divinity. However, another ret paladin in the guild informed me that this was a mistake, and Cons did a decent chunk of our DPS. I'm wondering which of them is right, and if anyone can give me a little help on that. Thanks.

MichBoll · 10/21/10, 12:57 AM

@ Taro You should only use consecration, if you do not have any other filler without a CD. This should not happen more than ones or twice in a fight

Macloud · 10/21/10, 1:11 AM

Double post. Please delete.

Tricsun · 10/21/10, 1:24 AM

[Herkuml War Token] or [Whispering Fanged Skull]? I've had really terrible luck with getting the heroic version (which wont happen now with shared locks) or with getting scale from Halion. Did a quick test tonight (2m damage each, max hit) and they were both to close to really call, but really don't have a lot of time, so was wondering if anyone else has tested it a little bit more.

Macar · 10/21/10, 2:11 AM

Originally Posted by Tricsun

[Herkuml War Token] or [Whispering Fanged Skull]? I've had really terrible luck with getting the heroic version (which wont happen now with shared locks) or with getting scale from Halion. Did a quick test tonight (2m damage each, max hit) and they were both to close to really call, but really don't have a lot of time, so was wondering if anyone else has tested it a little bit more.

I think, that with reforging possibilities, and the increased value of Haste, that HWT should come up on top.

Mano · 10/21/10, 2:42 AM

I'm not sure if it's really a bug or not (and I haven't compared any logs), but I think that my water shield gets procced much more. I have the feeling I have to refresh it more often (even keeping in mind that it's only 3 orbs now vs 4 prior).

Deman · 10/21/10, 3:23 AM

I can live with the fact that im not gona be first on the meters but i could not stand the fact that im a few hundred dps above the tanks like last wensday ,all together i like the way they upped the dmg even without ARP hope it stays that way,heres a screen from my actual stats

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