Thanks a bunch !

So I managed to use anecdotal values, forgot to account for raid buffs, and also forgot about leather mastery, all in my first post. And managed to misread Wowwiki which is the reason for this edit. Thank you for so patiently addressing my acute amateurism, it's very much appreciated.

I often end up with 4CP and both SnD and rupture are up, should I mutilate again or envenom?

After a month long break from the game, and countless hours of reading upon return, I am having trouble wrapping myself around which spec to go. Let me elaborate:

I have mostly iLevel 251/264's for gear, with heroic [Frost Giant's Cleaver] and normal [Bone Warden's Splitter] as my weapons for combat, pre 4.0. DBW would have armor pen capped me before the patch. But with all the reading, I still feel that switching to mut, or even sub, would be better than staying combat, given that my daggers, which I previously used for PvP, would be better than what I have now. These daggers are normal [Heartpierce] and normal [Stygian Bladebreaker].

Now, normally, or pre 4.0 rather, any idiot could tell that using those daggers for the current content would be laughable compared to the axes I have now. But with the, lackluster at best, mastery for combat, would going back into ilevel 245 range daggers possibly be better dps than sticking to combat and using 251 and 264 axes? Granted, using those weapons would be temporary until replacements drop, but I am having a hard time wrapping my head around this without stepping into a raid, which I cannot do for the next week due to work restraints. And test dummys are worthless to test on.

I agree this needed to be nerfed after hitting for 175k (lol) but it's current state on beta is way overnerfed....

Hits for 15,000 to 18,000 which is pretty pathetic

My tooltip says

Guardian of Ancient Kings now causes 436 damage plus 436 per Application.

It should be 1750 plus 1750...Maybe that'a s a bug?

Hats off to all of you who have helped make this game more interesting from a pure theoretical and numbers perspective. Aldrianna in particular, your spread sheet is one that I found to be most flexible and accurate in terms of use and output in real game situations. Practice dummies are one way to mine data but there exists a particular inflexibility in generating those terms of equation (if you will) in such a static discourse. This is much like observing a disease process in a test tube as opposed to studying it in field where it actually is evolving and wreaking havoc on a population in one way or another. I'm hoping that Aldriana's sheet sees a renewal with the Cata content.

with that said, I'm seeing more survivability options for rogues with the new tree options such as reinforced leather and recuperate from the combat branch; quickening and deadened nerves from the Assassination branch, and elusiveness with energetic recovery from the Subtlety branch. I'm wondering how much potential these abilities will come into play during raiding boss fights, or if they are meant for PvP only.

At any rate, if survivability skills will now be required during raid boss fights, this non-DPS generating aspect of our class needs to be added into the mix.

Toughts and constructive criticisms are much appreciated!

Hakeemkarim

Hi all. Although I do run a lvl 80 Lock, in many ways I consider myself that dreadful term: "noob". I just started an Enchanc Shammy. I have reviewed the various forums on here, and although they are quite informative I do not understand at all the mathematical equations, nor some abbreviations such as proc and what not. See, told ya, noob in many senses. Anyways, in starting my new Shammy, Enhancement that he is, I was looking to find out which stats are most important. Based on what I've been reading in these forums so far it sounds like 1) Hit, 2) Crit, and then 3) Exp. Does anybody at all agree with that assessment? Also, shields. Since obviously running for dps, is it better to dw or shield? Thank you very much in advance to those of you laughing at my "noobness", and also to those of you who are going to be kind enough to answer to these questions!

Sincerely,

Dennis Mann.

Hello all, second time posting. If you read the Enhanc Shammy "simple questions" area, you will see my first one and that paragraph also applies to these questions I'm about to ask here! lol. Again, very "noobish" when it comes to some abbreviations, and terms such as proc however, have a decent understanding of the game and gear. So, for my Blood DK, and tanking, in game and on this site as well as others, people have told me two things: 1) get gems/gear with stam, or 2) get gems/gear with expertise for threat. So I ask all of you, which is more important? Well, for that matter which stats are most important for a blood DK that is tanking? I'm assuming Stam and Exp are both important, but which one should be "first" in the order of importance and then from there, what else is? Thank you very much in advance for your answers, and to those laughing at my noobness. I hope I have put these questions in the proper place in this forum. Thank you.

sincerely,

Dennis Mann

Not sure if anyone has brought this up but Glyph of Resilient Grip no longer resets the cooldown if you use it on bosses. As long as the taunt effect worked, the reset will not take place.

Sorry if this has been highlighted. I admit I was lazy to sieve through the past 8 pages to check.

EDIT: Anyone has got any minor glyph to recommend in place of that, since the first few posts of this topic suggested having that particular glyph.

We cleared Blackwing Descent lastnight and it was hitting for 17,000 all night and the tooltip read.

Guardian of Ancient Kings now causes 436 damage plus 436 per Application.