Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1380

Paradosi · 11/06/10, 2:06 AM

I posted this on another thread:

"I use Black Bruise & Keleseth's Seducer and so far the results have been pretty good. Last night I got around 22k DPS on Marrowgar so AE damage with SMF is very good and on Saurfang I did around 20k DPS single target. With better strength based 1H weapons in Cata, I could see SMF being very strong unless they drastically change something between now and then.

Question though! Now I think 3/3 Deep Wounds will be better for TG @ 85, but how about for SMF? Do you guys think 3/3 Incite & 2/3 Deep Wounds will be stronger with 1H weapons? Especially considering how low crit rate usually is early in an expansion which hurts Deep Wounds but just makes Incite more attractive."

I am still curious about that question. But why I posted here is I find with SMF I produce the best results when I use BT + HS on cooldown, and RB only when I have some excess rage to burn off which happens from time to time. I rarely ever use slam. I rather make sure I always have rage for HS & BT every 3 seconds as they are by far my highest hitting abilities while using 1H weapons. Anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Edit: The guild hasn't been logging recently, but going back a couple weeks, this is my average crit damage breakdown for my abilities with SMF for an entire night:

Melee: 5975.2
HS: 28261.5
BT: 21428.3
Cleave: 23065.0
Execute: 41254.2
Raging Blow: 14085.1
Slam: 8495.1

This is why I tend to just focus on HS & BT and only use RB when I have that extra rage to burn. My hit is hard capped btw which gives me enough rage to use HS/BT on cooldown with the odd RB in there. Just curious what others think and have experienced.

grimnr · 11/06/10, 2:31 AM

Originally Posted by Darkside_8169

So the other day I heard that slow weapons are best for Warrior Tank threat. The person who told me this also said that the Wrathful One Handed Axe you can now buy with honor is great for tanking due to it's slow attack speed and high top-end damage. I was wondering if this was true or not? I have been looking around trying to see if this has been addressed or not but so far have not come across it. Thanks in advance for any responses and help.

I'd have to agree with Unclechoppy here.

A slow weapon, even a PVP one, is I think the way to go for warrior tanking, mostly due to the changes to cleave and HS having a 3sec CD and being off the GCD that you want these abilitys to hit as hard as possible.

The only downside I can see is you need manage rage slightly better and ensure you have a reasonable level of hit and expertise as a miss can cost you dear in terms of rage income. The lack of survival stats is a bit of pain but at the tail end of an expansion not an issue in the majority of cases

durianboss · 11/06/10, 5:05 AM

Regarding the issue of Pyromaniac talent being situational. Wouldn't it be best it was change to activate when 3 dots are placed. This makes sense due to we can upkeep the buff using LB, FFB (glyphed), and pyroblast dot. This setup rewards player for the complex FFB rotation and HS proc. As oppose to current setup of 3 dots on individual target.
Is this too overpowered?

Nurph. · 11/06/10, 6:14 AM

One of our rogues still didnt change from berserking to mongoose... now can someone explain to me why his uptime is always really bigger than my mongoose? even on bosses like saurfang or festergut.. his uptime did once have a record of 75% while i had 54% with mongoose (that was saurfang)... mostly its about 8to10% more..

sp00n · 11/06/10, 6:54 AM

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Current theory is that PPM from Mongoose and Berserking is the same. Now if you could provide (extensive) combat logs that refute this theory, you're welcome to share them with us. Otherwise it's just RNG at play.

Eelowynn · 11/06/10, 8:35 AM

One thing tho, is it possible to turn off the notify about Hunters mark? Cause on some shorter fights I don't wanna spend that extra second to cast HM instead of some damage ability, and aswell when switching targets alot to.
Like only advice about hunters mark when out of combat or something.

Agreed. I'd like this feature too.

Nurph. · 11/06/10, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Current theory is that PPM from Mongoose and Berserking is the same. Now if you could provide (extensive) combat logs that refute this theory, you're welcome to share them with us. Otherwise it's just RNG at play.

Im sorry, wont provide the boss logs because the fights are about 3 minutes long, they most certainly wont fit your needs of extensive.. and i dont have the time to do extensive tests on a crappy doll for you. I did some relativly short onces that just confirmed what i happend to notice during icc25H raids... berserking always has a bigger uptime. But i cannot prove anything and THATS WHY i ask here... because i want some proof from you guys that its just bad proc luck on my side or something.. i really dont think you think id lie about the uptime... why would i do that.. so maybe you could consider just believing me that thats what happend and let some nice tester and theorycrafter test or share their results they may already have.

But thanks for your quality respond to my question...

Manbis · 11/06/10, 10:23 AM

pls delete

wasniahC · 11/06/10, 7:55 PM

Forgive me if I missed it when I skimmed through the thread, but while this is a cataclysm preview discussion, I haven't seen much talk about stat priorities at 85
There aren't any threads up that deal with the stat priorities thoroughly in the warlock forum, except for pre-cata 4.0.
So, what are thoughts on how the prios will be, generally?

For demonology at the moment, haste is top, until you reach certain caps/breaking points. However, Blizzard have stated they definately don't want us to be reaching caps in cata. This means that the ratings will be relatively weaker compared to our primary stats (intellect), and also means we will probably not have issues with whether or not we actually reach those caps.

Currently, the stat prios for cata look to me like they will be as follows:
Affliction: Hit>Intellect>Haste>Critical>Mastery
Demonology: Hit>Intellect>Haste>Critical>Mastery
Destruction: Hit>Intellect>Mastery>Critical
I'm not sure how haste would be placed in this, for destruction.

Thoughts?

zodiac_rcw · 11/06/10, 8:35 PM

Weird is the huge amount of friendly fire from Pact of the Darkfallen. maybe it associate with command procs.

ocgenocide · 11/06/10, 11:14 PM

Hi guys, Im new to fury and Ive been trying to get my dps higher than 4-5k on a dummy. I think i should be getting more with the gear i have. Here is a link to my armory. The World of Warcraft Armory - Icydeath @ Bonechewer - Profile

Thanks.

resstealth · 11/07/10, 12:25 AM

heres my question. in one part of the post, it says you dont use 20 haste gems in yellow sockets. and at the bottom where it shows the gems for each slot you should use, it has 20 haste? which is it? also if haste and mastery are > strength, wouldnt you want to reforge everything for mastery and gem haste to the cap?

Matyivagyok · 11/07/10, 6:14 AM

Hey!
Could u tell us something bout the SaA update for 4.0.1?
It is one of my musthave addons, so i really need it for raidin.
Thanx for your answer!

jlevans · 11/07/10, 10:52 AM

hey guys im sure that this question has been brought up a numerous times since last patch. but i was wondering if ne one has had a chance to experiment with different spec for the most damge output i have heard that sub is the new raid spec but i still cant leave assisination even though my dps has dropped nearly in half just wanna get your opinion on whats seems to be the best spec for pve rogues atm

saritage · 11/07/10, 11:57 AM

hey i have this prob with vsynch on im sometimes experiencing fps bouncing from 58-60,its really annoying cause u can see how is screen stucking this wasnt happening before 4,0,1.

SO does somebody know what could be wrong?

Thanks