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Old 11/15/10, 12:12 PM   #20821
AscendedSaiyan
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Kil'Jaeden
As a Frost DK, should i be dual wielding or sticking to a 2 hander.
Im guess im gearing for PvP because of wrathful being so easily attainable, but im not really hardcore PvP. I dont really run arena, but do a TON of BG's. I want to start raiding as soon as i can and will probably also run Frost in that.

I guess to simply it.
Which should i be using for PvE Frost DPS?
Which should i be using for PvP Frost?

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Old 11/15/10, 12:18 PM   #20822
Ripebear1
Glass Joe
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by Darkside View Post
If that's the case it would still probably be better to Oblit if you have no fully depleted runes in order to not waste any RE procs.
At present I certainly always prioritise Obliterate over FS with KM. At 34% Mastery. But I never wait on a KM proc unless Obliterate has <1 second to go. I found this works best for DPS, I have heard of people waiting several seconds but I find this wastes KM procs more often than not with our attack speed.

Just my 2 cents.

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Old 11/15/10, 1:02 PM   #20823
ninoffmaniak
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Executus (EU)
For me i find best results as sv spec with explosive trap,
bigest problem or surval is lack of focus and bigest dps is explosive shots by using trap your lnl procs go skyrocket and you use all the free explosive shots making haste lowest dps stat by far. (if you have free shots you dotn need focus gain from haste)
I find mastery is not good in any solution as sv so that 2 k extra i just don't see it.

For me agility giving 80% more dps then crit and mastery and haste little lower then crit and for me as sv getting best dps gemming full agility with 1 agility crit and one agility hit for meta.
All hit needed come from reforging haste and nothing is reforged to mastery.
Cunning pet over ferocity.

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Old 11/15/10, 2:39 PM   #20824
Tikiman49
Von Kaiser
 
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Tauren Paladin
 
Wyrmrest Accord
PvE it doesn't matter. Pick one, whichever you have better weapons for or whichever playstyle you like more (1.0 vs 1.5sec GCD makes a big difference). Neither does SIGNIFICANTLY more DPS than the other, though DW frost does sim a bit higher in some cases.

PvP, DW is going to be better. Regardless of presence, DW Frost will hit harder than 2H Frost due to better scaling with your Attack Power. Plus you get 2 runeforges.

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Old 11/15/10, 4:41 PM   #20825
Reejerey
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Quel'dorei
Chaotic Shadowspirit Diamond (54 crit rating 3% increased crit damage meta) is now requiring more blue gems than red. I understand that this isn't an enhance only change but it will definitely affect us.

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Old 11/15/10, 5:12 PM   #20826
mamasboy84
 
Human Priest
 
Winterhoof
The best use of PW:B on live is the transition to phase 2 of Heroic LK25, when everyone is grouping up for the valks and the 1st infest is about to go off. Due to the mechanics of prior phase it can be difficult to ensure that everyone has a PW:S on them.

The new iteration is much more attractive to me. An AoE shield wall is an extremely potent utility.
This is a fantastic suggestion, im going to try it tonight i hope!

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Old 11/15/10, 10:47 PM   #20827
loki
Glass Joe
 
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Gnome Rogue
 
Kul Tiras
Originally Posted by Pyrates View Post
Looks like the DXE bossmod, doesn't it?
Thanks mate, installing it now to test

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Old 11/16/10, 4:39 AM   #20828
Impact009
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Black Dragonflight
On the ilvl 264 Wrathful weapons, would it be better to gem +20 str and +10 str/hit for the 12 AP socket bonus? That's still roughly equal to a 6 str socket bonus before buffs.

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Old 11/16/10, 9:55 AM   #20829
vpchelko
Banned
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Ясеневый лес (EU)
I can't find new rage generation formula. Please link to.

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Old 11/16/10, 11:12 AM   #20830
rauld
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Bladefist
clicking to keyboard

can anybody give me some ideas to get rid of the clicker in me i try it can not stick to it

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Old 11/16/10, 11:37 AM   #20831
Diakonran
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Cairne
Originally Posted by Nandei View Post
I don't know about the dps gains of those two talents, but at level 85 movement isn't going to be decisive since we'll have Aspect of the Fox.
Damn me and my lvl80 mindset. Forgot about AotF. And CobraS. So ISS will be a dps loss then, as SS will be dropped from rotation.

...unless I am misunderstanding CobraS's 2ndary ability of increasing SerpS duration...Do those stack or is it more akin to ChiShot's refreshing?

Last edited by Diakonran : 11/16/10 at 11:45 AM.

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Old 11/16/10, 1:30 PM   #20832
chickalina
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Balnazzar
Has anyone done any testing to see if the AI on searing totem has been improved with the range changes? If so, can you articulate your observations?

It also seems to me that gemming for all spellpower bonuses now makes sense. For example, I gemmed +20 spirit on T10 shoulders for +5 sp bonus. That allows me to reforge 20 spirit less, which will now be reforged mastery. So all things being equal to the hit cap, I end up with 20 mastery for a 15 spellpower tradeoff, which seems like a good idea given we have no itemized mastery on any of our gear at the moment. At 85, it will be a question of what sp is worth in relation to mastery. It would have to be 33% better in order to make sense gemming intellect instead in that case.

Also, maybe a word on theorycrafting in cata. To my way of thinking, when you had a finite number of choices with respect to gear, particularly about what could even be considered BIS, it was almost a binary decision. It's this or that. I have seen many instances when using the spreadsheets that when adding a new, clearly better item actually resulted in one of the stat's weight going down. So when this happened, it obviously occured as a result of a stat weight being pushed to a level where marginally, it was worth less. Kind of a diminishing return. Sometimes, the stat weight would go back up after hitting a higher threshold in that stat, and almost always, the stat increased in value in terms of dps as your other stats increased.

With the reforging option, there are now an infinite number of combinations with respect to gemming and reforging your gear. Has anyone put any thought into a spreadsheet that helps in optimizing stats? Not one that just tells you what x or y stat is worth in this setup, but one that helps optimize your choices? Of course, I would be happy with one that merely replaced what we had. Any sense of when there might be another model in the community?

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Old 11/16/10, 1:42 PM   #20833
SoulDoV
 
Orc Warlock
 
Spinebreaker
I like the GUI.

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Old 11/16/10, 2:51 PM   #20834
gothicweasel
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Mage
 
Kael'thas
Originally Posted by Enthorn View Post
Since Pyroblast! (Pyroblast from Hot Streak) does not contribute toward Hot Streak, does Glyph of Pyroblast's 5% crit also not contribute to Pyroblast!? This seems to not have been looked at yet, and I'm not sure how to even go about testing it, as the only way to use Pyroblast! is to have Hot Streak proc. You could glyph Pyroblast and do a sample of, probably no less than 1000 casts (which would take a ridiculously long time) and compare the crit rate of Pyroblast to Pyroblast!. Alternatively, you could try to get as close to 0% crit as possible, glyph Pyroblast, and then cast Pyroblasts for Hot Streak procs. If Pyroblast! never crits, then we'll know the glyph only affects Pyroblast.
Good question im alittle bored atm so i think i might go do it and log it... IF (key word) the "Pyroblast!" doesnt benifit from the glyph one would wonder if we might have the same issue with the tier 11 2 set bonus... ill see if i can get wol up and runnin its been a while

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Old 11/16/10, 5:56 PM   #20835
LiangZi
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Blackrock
What kind of gems would i need for both tanking and dps

hey i need to know what kinda gems do i need for blood tank and frost dps

for blood tank pve
do i just fully stack Stam gems or do i need any other types.
and where do i find gems that gives me 2 different stats. e.g (+10stam and +10 parry) cause all i can see from AH are like (+30Stam or +30 strenght)
can someone plz tell me wat i need to stack and stats are good for thanking. ty

for fost dps pve
do i need to stack all strenght gems or do i need any other tpyes.
and do i need agi and stam for dps?

and can someone plz let me know the best rotation for both tanking dps plz.
cuz each time i pull (when tanking) i pull with dnd and then IT on boss.. all my other moves are on cd or they just cant be cast because of no runes. all i have left to use is BB, DG and BC.

thanks.
Likliklicky Blackrock

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