Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1396

Lipsim · 11/23/10, 6:41 AM

Math aside. As a 40's arcane mage I am having a lot of fun in PUGs. Thanks for the guide.

blackghost · 11/23/10, 7:04 AM

hi,

i'm new here and i'm having trouble finding information on the current 4.03 (is it?) demonology build. can anyone point me in the right direction?

i'll sincerely appreciate it.

thank you

Amadeusx · 11/23/10, 7:22 AM

Is crit or haste better?

Envý · 11/23/10, 10:28 AM

The current BiS simcraft profiles are using four parts of T11. Wouldn't it be more effective to ignore the 4p bonus and get two more offset pieces?

Kilmir · 11/23/10, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Berthold

Hi all,

as it seems now, the only interesting decisions we are going to make in cataclysm are how much crit/haste/mastery we want on our gear (apart from trinkets). Intellect is only a function of the itemlevel and hit *needs* to be at 17% hit, so we do not have that many otions.
Taking a look at the t11 BiS list we see that we have ~4000 rating points on crit+haste+mastery and depending on the actual gear and reforging it is divided differently.
I took this gear setup and simulated different combinations of crit/haste/mastery and made some graphics..

I just wanted to butt in here to make an observation based on those graphics. The thing I noticed the most is that Destro seems to have the highest possible top dps.
Considering in the current T11 gear simcrafts destro is about 1k dps behind Aff, I assume that stat allocations are far from optimal for destro with the used T11 set. Is it perhaps possible to see if any gearpieces could be shuffled around (and some gem / reforge changes) to optimize Destro more with the current known drops?

Suu · 11/23/10, 11:48 AM

I've been curious about something. In a level 80 setting, it's very easy to reach the soft crit cap, enough that it's actually hard to get rid of the extra crit.

In a situation like that, where gear alone gets you to 33.3% crit chance, what's the dps loss from skipping two points in piercing ice to pick up another utility talent? Also, once you have enough crit to not glyph molten armor, what's the best replacement glyph?

Nartas · 11/23/10, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Kilmir

I just wanted to butt in here to make an observation based on those graphics. The thing I noticed the most is that Destro seems to have the highest possible top dps.
Considering in the current T11 gear simcrafts destro is about 1k dps behind Aff, I assume that stat allocations are far from optimal for destro with the used T11 set. Is it perhaps possible to see if any gearpieces could be shuffled around (and some gem / reforge changes) to optimize Destro more with the current known drops?

The problem is the gradual incline from affliction vs. the plateau of destruction. It's very easy to hit that first plateau for destruction, its beyond that where it becomes problimatic. With 4000 combat rating points, its not going to be possible to touch that number in the first set of tier gear. Perhaps later on, but even then I'd severely doubt it without sacrificing intel at that point and gemming for it. The gradual incline of affliciton is going to provide the best in damage until you can reach the second tick of immolate for destruction, or atleast according to my eyes that is.

Straif · 11/23/10, 2:17 PM

From leveling on Beta, is these a consensus on what is faster or easier to level, in terms of spec? Obviously playstyle /preference is the most important factor but I'm wondering what peoples recommendations would be absent the playstyle/preference aspect.

griptard · 11/23/10, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Consider

Initial edit to the first post complete. Due to the last minute realization of DW's viability, I wasn't able to accomplish nearly as much as I would have liked. As such, I still have a lot of finer details to go through - more stat weights, finishing trinket section, finally doing macro/mod section, reworking reforging section, and general formatting edits - and I should be able to get most of it out of the way tomorrow by the end of the weekend, although the holidays make it a bit difficult.

As I've said elsewhere, but since I've had questions on the subject: yes, I do plan to do a FAQ. For various reasons, however, it's likely to become a separate post. It will be finished by the release of Cataclysm.

Anyways, as always, if there's any issues, let me know.

Great update Consider. Lets hope they move 2h unh back over dw unh.

Gnomatose · 11/23/10, 3:16 PM

Brings me back to the ToC progression days. I had the 10 second rotation in my DW Unholy spec...that was pretty beast back then. I'd like to see the 2 specs about equal in effectiveness, if in fact Consider is right about them at level 85.

griptard · 11/23/10, 3:37 PM

Redoing my post without my open support for Consider since that landed me an infraction some how.

Here is my new and worthwhile contribution to this discussion; I'm working with the sim right now trying to come up with the same numbers as you and its not working out the same. Would you mind posting your report with numbers when you're complete?

mjgunn · 11/23/10, 3:39 PM

Originally Posted by amnerys

And not that it matters a great deal now, but does the censure nerf mean that 5/0/31 is now the preferred spec over 3/2/31?

Wondering the same.

Malphayden · 11/23/10, 4:46 PM

I also noticed the patch notes say Arcane specialization is now back up to 25% bonus damage. So anyone have any idea how this is all going to shake out dps-wise? Cutting the AB dmg buff in half seemed like a pretty big nerf at first glance. But now we're getting a decreasing cast time with successive casts (up to 4, or .4 secs) and a return to the 25% arcane damage bonus. Does it all balance out in the end? Slight buff? Slight nerf?

MrMonstrosity · 11/23/10, 5:56 PM

Combat Potency (Rank 1)

Gives your successful off-hand melee attacks a 20% chance to generate 5 Energy, also your offhand weapon speed is now 1.4 regardless of weapon type.

If they made this change to CP it would help fix KS damage, CP procs, Deadly Poison procs, MG damage and allow us to use 2x 2.6 weapons.

Just a thought I had.

Juddudar · 11/23/10, 7:05 PM

Excellent info. I wish wow cataclysm would just come out already so that I could check all of this stuff out live. Never been much of a beta player, but it has been tempting.