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Old 12/13/10, 2:55 AM   #21286
Nathyiel
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Goblin Mage
 
Sargeras (EU)
We also have to take in account replenishment and mana regen. If you interscale Free Scorches between FB, you can launch more FB before OOM. Maybe you will have Evoc or Mana gem up again before having to Scorches spam because you have no mana.

I can add that being OOM means that you can't launch awesome Pyroblast!

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Old 12/13/10, 3:16 AM   #21287
Nathyiel
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Goblin Mage
 
Sargeras (EU)
There's no "better profession" but there's profession that have poor bonus (stamina for exemple).
All stat and discussion on these is on cataclysm_mage_resources.

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Old 12/13/10, 3:36 AM   #21288
Morinehtar
 
Undead Mage
 
Kazzak (EU)
Read everything here , atm perfecting both spec Fire and Frost.
My ilvl gear to this date is 337 , have about 23% crit selfbuffed, using Molten Armor ofc.
Weaving Scorch , using Flame Orb on every cd , LB as it should be.
So , atm on heroics boss fights my dps is between 8k and 11k and I dont like it. Sometimes i cast 20 times Scorch/Fireball without any crit which makes me sad and feel like somethings wrong with my play , even tho everyone knowz its pure chance...
Still, i want to ask if your dps at same ilvl is equal? If its higher or u finish every boss fight with more than 10.5k dps then I play wrong ^^
Main questions:
1st Are you happy with Fire Mage`s dps compared to other classes?
2nd Read a mats here where they say a fire mage should do about 19.4k dps in 346 ilvl gear raid wise with all raid buffs. I really dont see myself doing that dps in a week with just 9 ilvl more. Is it possible for a whole fight or it is a simulation that inludes only a period with BL/TW

Im topping the dps meter about 50% of hc runs but actualy I think its cuz I`m dedicated mage,playing this class as main for 5 years and etc..still im not happy with fire dps atm compared to ele , enh shammies, rogues and dks for example.

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Old 12/13/10, 3:53 AM   #21289
zombaflea
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Undead Rogue
 
Dawnbringer
looking for the best place in cata to quest, it seems most the quest i've been doing reward caster gear or plate/mail.... any thoughts

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Old 12/13/10, 4:00 AM   #21290
Robula
 
Undead Priest
 
Chamber of Aspects (EU)
Originally Posted by Kronics View Post
then I use ArchAngel and nuke MindSpike until ArchAngel is gone

followed by MindBlast in between.etc..
Wow. That is something I had never even considered doing. Are you suggesting that dropping all DoTs during Dark Archangel to do [Mind Spike x3 -> Mind Blast] is a DPS increase?
Opposed to all three DoTs running with 5x Evanglism before Dark Archangel is activated and using a combination of Mind Blast and Mind Flay over the period of Archangel?

I'd like to find out how beneficial this is and will do some testing later if and when I get time.

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Old 12/13/10, 4:12 AM   #21291
smoug
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Undead Mage
 
Sunstrider (EU)
Originally Posted by Morinehtar View Post
, atm perfecting both spec Fire and Frost.
Do you have any info on the difference in your DPS with fire compared to frost?

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Old 12/13/10, 4:46 AM   #21292
noisuF
 
Orc Shaman
 
Hakkar
Best shaman weapon enchant?

At the moment I have the Hurricane enchant, but now I am wondering if Power torrent or Hurricane enchant would be better for shamans overall dps? Has anyone tested this?

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Old 12/13/10, 4:48 AM   #21293
Morinehtar
 
Undead Mage
 
Kazzak (EU)
Same story tbh, both are equal as dps at this ilvl.
Fire is dependant on crit chance all the time, Frost is dependant if Deep Freeze will crit or not.
ATM im doing SFK hc , 1st boss 9.3k dps :S
Moonkin with lower ilvl gear 10.5k
And im sure i didnt miss single proc or sec on cd for LB or FO...

This is annoying

Last edited by Morinehtar : 12/13/10 at 4:57 AM.

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Old 12/13/10, 4:53 AM   #21294
Morinehtar
 
Undead Mage
 
Kazzak (EU)
Originally Posted by Sinless View Post
How does evocation fit in this picture? Is it better to burn through your mana, evocate and make sure you don't run out of mana until the next evocate ? Or shall we weave scorhes that we never have to evocate? This is a simple question for arcane but probably not so much for fire.
I evocate at very rare ocasions. My mana is stable so far , waving is good fr mana..not for dps.
I dont find it being proper that fireball must boost dps ....it doesnt (unless it crits , and now its crits are too rare)

Watched Paragon vs Nefarian - mage is below 10th place in recount

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Old 12/13/10, 4:56 AM   #21295
smoug
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Undead Mage
 
Sunstrider (EU)
Thanks for the answer.
I am about the same dps, so guess i will stick and see where it goes.

Just hope we can keep up with the other DPS classes.

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Old 12/13/10, 4:59 AM   #21296
kwekson
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Undead Priest
 
Xavius (EU)
Originally Posted by svedka View Post
The older thread still has the pre-raid list.
I'm going to check that one out then, thanks for the info.

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Old 12/13/10, 5:10 AM   #21297
Cangiz
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Shu'halo
Originally Posted by dotcow View Post
As far as Destruction goes, wouldn't two points in Doom and Gloom be better than two points in Demonic Embrace? And how necessary is it two have two points in Mana Feed? I was doing something more along the lines of 5/5/31.
Because you get Mana Feed, you cannot afford anything more than 3 points in the Affliction. Using the Simcraft Wiki from the first post we see that Mana Feed is our largest sources of mana during a fight with the predetermined factors:


And obviously this mean less life taps, which means more gcds for dps. This gain is far better than a marginal increase in the damage output of something that only accounts for less than 5% of our dps.

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Old 12/13/10, 6:33 AM   #21298
Shà ri
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
doesnt matter cos u lose GDC and so far i prefer dpsing w/o unleash weapons. bonus dmg is nice, but we are not at that point that out gear can support that. maybe after getting 4/5 T11 it will be usable, but i'd prefer it would be some sort of passive bonus rather then using it all the time

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Old 12/13/10, 6:37 AM   #21299
Shà ri
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
Originally Posted by noisuF View Post
At the moment I have the Hurricane enchant, but now I am wondering if Power torrent or Hurricane enchant would be better for shamans overall dps? Has anyone tested this?
i tested it on beta and i can confirm that haste is way better then intelect increase. on beta with full haste gemming i had 23% with premade gear so hurricane helped a lot. later on we will be able to get to haste cap. so far haste seems like something to go with till u can support yourself with enough haste from gear.

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Old 12/13/10, 7:40 AM   #21300
Autosleep
 
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Orc Shaman
 
Grim Batol (EU)
Originally Posted by Cochice View Post
Nothing currently indicates that the DW specialization has been changed to apply to spells. 1742 hit rating is pretty easily attainable in heroic gear.

Just to make sure, I got naked and hit a level 85 dummy with flametongue. I had zero hit rating from gear. If the DW specialization had been changed to also apply to spells, I would receive zero misses on a equal level mob (4% chance to miss against the same level). I had a flametongue proc miss within a matter of seconds. So no, it doesn't apply to spells.
This can be verified in the character screen.

The hit in melee stats panel shows the +6% hit from the DW specialization, but if you check the spell stats panel's hit, the +6% bonus hit won't added to the base hit from gear.

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