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Old 12/15/10, 11:12 AM   #21406
Clonzo
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Mage
 
Alterac Mountains
Hit Cap?

I'm not understanding the logic behind reaching the hit cap.
At the moment my mage is at 1502 hit rating, with a 2.34% chance to miss on a level 88 mob.
To me, that sounds like a very small number of spells will actually miss. And as a fire mage, trading crit for hit seems like a poor choice for DPS.
Am I missing something?

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Old 12/15/10, 11:27 AM   #21407
cbags
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Mage
 
Garona
By running under the hit cap, you put yourself immediately behind any other caster that is at the hit cap. If you both have the same number of spells cast, your best effort, if you both played perfectly is going to be more than 2% behind. A wise man once said, to Crit, you must first HIT! If you have a 100% crit chance, but a LOW Hit chance, the guy that is hit capped and has a middle of the road Crit level will win.


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Old 12/15/10, 12:17 PM   #21408
Deradralol
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Ner'zhul
I've been looking at which offpiece to wear and was wondering what other people were considering? Myself I was thinking about wearing the 4pc T11 tank with the T11 DPS pants as they have hit/mastery.

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Old 12/15/10, 12:29 PM   #21409
ieatpaperbag
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Gnome Rogue
 
Eonar
Originally Posted by Naganuina View Post
Wouldn't a 26.3% uptime put it slightly behind the 80agi professions?

(263-65*0.9)/2.6=78.65
He did say "slightly behind" in your quote, though keep in mind you can "kind of" sync the proc with cooldowns (trinkets initially as well).

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Old 12/15/10, 1:47 PM   #21410
initium
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Shaman
 
Elune
Glad this thread is going, I've been reading it and applying everything to anywhere I've struggled with so far. I've only done heroics and Argaloth (2 healing with myself and a priest) so far.

For this content I feel like mana regen has been more important than throughput so far. But I've taken a semi-balanced approach to stats so far. Any gear without spirit I have reforged spirit onto it, usually at the expense of haste or mastery. I've found that crit just feels right more than mastery. When chain healing the raid on Argaloth, even at around 50% levels non-crits just don't seem to have much effect. I know mastery + crits will be ideal, but at the current gear levels the mana return from crit + throughput "feels" better.

Edit: Cyfir thanks for the spreadsheet, data models like this are awesome for me.

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Old 12/15/10, 1:56 PM   #21411
Mazlowe
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Priest
 
Ysondre
I just feel like the returns on Archangel do not warrant the 5 talents required to make the build worth it.

I feel like those 5 talents could be used elsewhere to make myself more effiecent as a healer.

Here's my current planned build:
(Lusey's Build)
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I'm unsure if I'm going to put the last 2 points in Inspiration or Darkness.

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Old 12/15/10, 2:06 PM   #21412
gia
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Genjuros (EU)
It's not 5 points in my mind considering that the 3 points for Archangel are taken from Inner Sanctum. While being undeniably a good talent it doesn't have much to do with efficiency.

The remaining 2 points for Atonement are a larger investment since they're taken from either Veiled Shadows/Darkness/Inspiration.

Taking Atonement doesn't lock you into a completely different healing style, you can still GH/ToT spam just as you would with your build but you have the option of adding in Smite whenever it makes sense. There are plenty of situations where it can be quite good.

Last edited by gia : 12/15/10 at 2:12 PM.

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Old 12/15/10, 2:29 PM   #21413
Mazlowe
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Priest
 
Ysondre
Originally Posted by gia View Post
It's not 5 points in my mind considering that the 3 points for Archangel are taken from Inner Sanctum. While being undeniably a good talent it doesn't have much to do with efficiency.

The remaining 2 points for Atonement are a larger investment since they're taken from either Veiled Shadows/Darkness/Inspiration.

Taking Atonement doesn't lock you into a completely different healing style, you can still GH/ToT spam just as you would with your build but you have the option of adding in Smite whenever it makes sense. There are plenty of situations where it can be quite good.
I see what you're saying and it makes sense.

However, using smite five times to take full advantage of Archangel.. Well, is the mana return worth doing that? Smite would effectively replace Heal, but I believed the whole purpose of the GH build was to completely remove that lower-tiered heal to minimize your mana use.

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Old 12/15/10, 3:13 PM   #21414
Zigizi
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Troll Shaman
 
Borean Tundra
Originally Posted by Mazlowe View Post
I see what you're saying and it makes sense.

However, using smite five times to take full advantage of Archangel.. Well, is the mana return worth doing that? Smite would effectively replace Heal, but I believed the whole purpose of the GH build was to completely remove that lower-tiered heal to minimize your mana use.
So first of all, you're only smiting when your tank is not in need of a big heal, as a "filler" spell. You can only use archangel every 30 seconds anyway, so you don't need to think of it as your main heal. I basically smite only when Penance, Inner Focus, and Rapture are on Cooldown, the tank is above 70% or so, and no dps are in need of heals.

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Old 12/15/10, 3:28 PM   #21415
 Nicarras
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Undead Priest
 
Illidan
Originally Posted by Ingela View Post
Ingela's Rapture - Addons - Curse
Here's a lightweight addon I made back in WOTLK to track rapture cooldown, it's probably a lot more useful now though!
Thanks!

Yeah like Zigizi said, only Smite then, otherwise you are over healing and wasting mana. It is also an extra cooldown you get as Disc instead of giving it up for Inner Sanctum.

Last edited by Nicarras : 12/15/10 at 3:36 PM.

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Old 12/15/10, 3:33 PM   #21416
Mazlowe
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Priest
 
Ysondre
Originally Posted by Zigizi View Post
So first of all, you're only smiting when your tank is not in need of a big heal, as a "filler" spell. You can only use archangel every 30 seconds anyway, so you don't need to think of it as your main heal. I basically smite only when Penance, Inner Focus, and Rapture are on Cooldown, the tank is above 70% or so, and no dps are in need of heals.
I understand when you are using it. I just don't feel like the returns are worth it.

Maybe once my gear is better and I'm able to keep a certain percentage of my mana during a boss fight / trash pulls then it may be worth looking into.

However, I do see how the GH/Smite build will probably end up being the build to use at 85.

Edit: I could also see how much Crit would play a part in this build. Not only proccing the bubbles from GH crits but increasing the chance of a much larger heal off of attonement.

/thinking

Last edited by Mazlowe : 12/15/10 at 3:40 PM.

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Old 12/15/10, 3:40 PM   #21417
jvlk
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by zimira View Post
rhave -US, Aradiel-EU.

I guess rhave saw the fixed rake numbers after weekly maintainance, so we in EU will see them today?
Ye, rake is stealth "nerfed" (fixed), My dps is a lot lower than it was yesterday when running hc's...pretty big nerf if you ask me can't keep up with hunters and warlocks anymore, even on a stand still fight I do 2 - 3k dps less.

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Old 12/15/10, 3:47 PM   #21418
Kelzorrr
Banned
 
Human Death Knight
 
Bronze Dragonflight (EU)
Guys, anybody knows stat values for frost spec?

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Old 12/15/10, 3:48 PM   #21419
Necronom
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warrior
 
<BUR>
Demon Soul
Has anyone seen, or have access to, a pre-raid BiS list?

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Old 12/15/10, 4:33 PM   #21420
slparker09
 
Undead Rogue
 
The Venture Co
Given that Hurricane procs off both melee damage _and_ spell damage and Landslide only procs on melee (unless I'm now mistaken), why is Landslide still the forerunner choice for Assassination Rogues?

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