Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1429

josemite · 12/15/10, 4:37 PM

Does anyone have approximate rule of thumb IEP (or whatever baseline you want to use) values for the various stats? I know modeling is best, but for approximate gearing from heroics it would be nice to know, for example, whether said mastery/crit item is better than a lower level mastery/haste item

Ashenmoor · 12/15/10, 4:40 PM

I pull using IT or dnd/IT when dnd isnt needed for adds. I'm just more comfortable with pulling boss's the same way i pull trash and many times puling with outbreak is the only time i'll have both diseases on the boss.

deejaa · 12/15/10, 5:43 PM

I have 2 questions,

- I can't find any website about gemming, should we go for the socket bonus or not?
A link would be nice.

- I am a combat rogue and have a question about the EP values ( http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t110016-...ted_12_2_10_a/ )
You can see the yellow hit cap is 1.9, the spell cap is 1.4 and the haste cap is 1.5

So haste will be > hit, somewhere between the yellow and spell hit cap.
Does any of you know that exact number of hit?

Dj

Procrit · 12/15/10, 7:52 PM

Originally Posted by WaywardMage

After running my first Heroic in item level 333 gear, I'm not sure if Arcane is viable and I would appreciate some discussion on the topic.

Here are a couple of problems that I encountered:
I could not effectively execute a burn phase because I ran out of mana less than 8 seconds into AP, forcing me to evocate. I found that I could only cast two (sometimes 3) AB then AM to clear otherwise my mana pool dropped below 85%. I could not maximize Time Warp potential without having to evocate halfway through. In short, I could not harness all of Arcane's abilities and maximize the full damage potential without running out of mana.

One trick I did find that helped with mana was to cast flame orb. Flame Orb procs AM constantly allowing AM to be cast repeatedly which can bring the mana pool back up.

The only mechanic that I found that worked is a simple rotation of (2or3)AB then clear with AM. Pop AP, MG and MI when available but continue the same rotation. Use Flame Orb if mana drops below 85%. I used this mechanic on a couple of bosses and while it worked, I found myself last on the damage meter by a fair margin.

Prior to Cata, we could execute a 40 second burn phase and still have 35% mana. Does anyone know if we will be able to execute a full burn phase with T11 gear?

I feel that I am running into the same issues. I hope someone can shed some more light on this situation.

Strasner · 12/15/10, 8:31 PM

Where can i go and test out frost DPS? the target dummies are not stun immune so the damage from deep freeze doesnt exist.

Lifepeasant · 12/15/10, 9:25 PM

I've read the whole thread, and the intro - and pardon me, if I did miss this but-

What is the right amount of Exp / Hit rating needed to tank ? I was told 26 Expertise / 950 Hit Rating. Is this correct?

Since it's not in the OP, I'm sure multiple people would like to know this question.

aaronsteinberg · 12/15/10, 10:32 PM

So I've been scouring the web to try and find new stat priorities for destruction but have yet to find anything solid.

So we all know in wrath haste was our gearing overlord but with the addition of DI and ISF it seems that haste may be a little devalued now. My initial thinking is (assuming I'm hit capped):

Int > Crit > Haste > Mastery

Any insight would be appreciated

/discuss

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Jugdish
Destruction Warlock Extraordinaire

groovinZhou · 12/15/10, 10:53 PM

Hi, I have question, goblin racial passive skill "Time is Money" does it scale with how much money you have? Or it is capped to max 1% increase attack speed only for rogue?

And based on the Aldriana Rogue Faqs. Isn't for Horde Troll should be the highest dps? Because of the starting attributes and Berserking skill?

lunavise · 12/15/10, 11:13 PM

I have a question...My mage is duel speced arcane and frost but I have been noticing that my dps has gone down since cata. My ex husbands gf was telling me that she runs arcane and fire and has no problems anywhere. So what truly is better frost or fire?

lefritz · 12/16/10, 12:49 AM

This post really should be placed in the affliction thread, but it was closed so I thought I would just ask the question here.
As I was reading through the affliction thread I came across some testing that indicated that if one refreshed corruption manually during a haste buff, then refreshing it via haunt thereafter, the haste buff would be maintained throughout the entire fight for corruption (even after the buff has worn off). My question is could that same principal be used for unstable affliction? You manually cast unstable affliction during a haste buff, then refresh it using fel flame. Could that strategy be used to keep the hasted buff on both corruption and UA?

Conundrum32068 · 12/16/10, 1:06 AM

Three questions.

One: In the affliction thread, the unstable affliction glyph is not listed among the primes. He recommended the sucubus's lash of pain which is obviously old information, so that leaves me with the question. glyph of corruption or glyph of unstable affliction?

Two: As i understand it the best burn i can manage is a rotation starting as such.
Soulburn>Soulfire Demonsoul>corruption>UA>BoA>Haunt>SB/DS

Anything i may be missing?

Three: CoD, on bosses obviously, As good as BoA? Worse? Even with the summoned minions?

Any input is appreciated.

anything25 · 12/16/10, 1:22 AM

Is there any consensus about the value of other stats besides agility and mastery? Ive been assuming agil>mastery>hit/expertise>crit>haste, but I was wondering if anyone has any numbers to back up either this or some other order

Bivvz · 12/16/10, 3:44 AM

So from reading point of views of current raid active S.Priests, it seems the highest Haste you can achieve is somewhere around 17% ish.. I haven't looked into it and found "The Best Haste Combination" gear but my main question is; Is being Hit Capped for Raids necessary? I have an abundance of spirit which I currently reforge because of the Hit requirement from heroics however I can achieve Raid Hit Cap but do I need to? or simply work on haste stacking

speeddymon · 12/16/10, 4:06 AM

Redacted due to a comment above -- harder hits..

Carracalla · 12/16/10, 4:13 AM

This looks like a great start to the BM thread.