Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1439

Naididae · 12/20/10, 8:13 AM

Redcape's spreadsheet includes weapon dps and weapon speed on it's stat values.

Fuqup · 12/20/10, 9:04 AM

Why does the Destro T11 BIS profile take the Shadowflame shoulders and legs, if haste is our worst stat at that gear level? Shouldn't the profile take the chest and gloves (crit/haste and crit/mastery) instead?

NannouLT · 12/20/10, 9:46 AM

Hello, few simple questions

1. What is the best Horde race for fire mage (dps wise) goblin or troll or maybe orc?
2. What are the best 359ilvl fire mage trinkets?
3. What are the best fire mage proffesions (dps wise) engi and tailoring?

Phadrus · 12/20/10, 10:39 AM

Mine is a simple request.

I have just recently started with a new character. I would like to be as efficient as possible.

Can anyone tell me where to go, or add-ons that would make me as efficient as possible at each level? Such as: Elixirs, Potions, Scrolls, Enchants and everything, related to the level you are at.

Your help is appreciated.

Camigwen · 12/20/10, 12:05 PM

I know things are very fuzzy about gemming and avoidance so I am looking for an opinion I have 15.24 mastery my dodge is at 12.89% (1727 Rating) and my parry is at 12.66% (1465 Rating) I sit in-game unbuffed at like 155k for health. Now I am realizing after doing a few boss encounters my missed DS and HS are quite a few lokking in logs at about 20%. My expertise is at like 16 and my hit is at like 1% which I know is really low, should I reforge a bit of my avoidance to hit and expertise to get closer to cap? I am going to replace the parry stam gem I have for a expertise and am debating on changing my bracer enchant to the expertise enchant also. I am new to tanking in this expansion. Thanks =)

edit: spelling

wele · 12/20/10, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Sokaris84

There's a table in the Holy Compendium thread, first post.

Hey,

Not really sure how to read that haste table. Can someone explain real quick on how that works? ^_^; thanks

Kalazar · 12/20/10, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Camigwen

I know things are very fuzzy about gemming and avoidance so I am looking for an opinion I have 15.24 mastery my dodge is at 12.89% (1727 Rating) and my parry is at 12.66% (1465 Rating) I sit in-game unbuffed at like 155k for health. Now I am realizing after doing a few boss encounters my missed DS and HS are quite a few lokking in logs at about 20%. My expertise is at like 16 and my hit is at like 1% which I know is really low, should I reforge a bit of my avoidance to hit and expertise to get closer to cap? I am going to replace the parry stam gem I have for a expertise and am debating on changing my bracer enchant to the expertise enchant also. I am new to tanking in this expansion. Thanks =)

edit: spelling

Expertise and Hit are always the most important thing for any meelee, even tanks. The benefit you will get for those DS connecting will outweigh and loss in parry or health you might loose.

fifaldo · 12/20/10, 2:01 PM

i was wondering which stat is prio for a frost mage? Mastery or rather crit rating??

Sintok · 12/20/10, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by papaldecree

My question is, when you're in you're full DoT rotation, is it ok to cut off a Mind Flay if you can/need to for some reason, such as getting a 3rd shadow orb, or needing to catch a DoT before it falls off.

I am wondering the same thing and I have not seen any answers to this post yet. Does anyone have any answers?

afflic · 12/20/10, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by afflic

I was looking over some things - and I've found something interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

With the current value of "int" vs. "spell dmg" being at 4.2022 and 2.7381 I was looking over my trinkets.

Currently I have [Theralion's Mirror] which is clearly the best. It's a 359 item with a DPS proc and int. Hard to argue.

However, I have two others which I thought I knew which one was better, but now im not sure after doing through some things.

[Heart of Ignacious]

vs.

[Witching Hourglass]

Now the first one basically is giving me 385 Spell Power... which worth 2.7381 per point comes out to be 1054.1685 With this trinket I have 7041 SP and 24% to crit on my character page. The haste use comes out to be 267.5 rating.

The second is gives me 285 int... which worth 4.2022 per point comes out to be 1197.627. With this trinket I have 6949 SP and 24.46% chance to crit on my character page. The haste proc on this comes out to equal ~213.75 rating.

So using the relative values the epic trinket is worth 1459.29725, and the blue is worth 1521.351375 - making the blue quality one better.

HOWEVER

The epic gives me 7041 spell power - and the blue gives me 6949 spell power, giving that a difference of 92 spell power.

Int gives me crit rating, so let me include that in my thoughts -- the int gives me .46% - which comes out to be 82.4688 rating (179.28 = 1%). Okay so using this thread relative value for crit that 82.4688 = 204.522624.

So the extra 92 spell power from the epic trinket = 92. Using it's relative value it equals 251.9052. The difference between those two is 47.382576 in favor of the epic trinket. How if we count in the haste use/proc of the two as stated above the epic trinket has a better overall haste value by 53.75 - giving the epic trinket an overall total of 101.132576 over the blue trinket.

So pretty much what I'm saying.... is when you break down the trinkets the epic comes out to be better - using the math posted the blue is better. I believe int is rated to high. Unless having ~4000 extra mana comes out to be values higher than the number posted above - but I really do not believe that to be true considering with proper mana management that 4000 mana really doesn't matter - especially because we have a spell that doesn't cost mana.

Something doesn't fit - and I believe this math proves it. Comments - corrections would be most helpful - but I believe this is right.

Shouldn't be ignored. There is something wrong with the given "relative values".

Kroyfel · 12/20/10, 3:15 PM

Twilight Ascendant Council:

Lightning Rod can be cloaked off.

TrlstanC · 12/20/10, 3:16 PM

Edit: removed useless post

Vanhrell · 12/20/10, 4:01 PM

Speaking of trinkets,

anyone has an idea of which trinkets you should invest in as a fire mage?

Almost two weeks have passed and I soon have enough to complete [Darkmoon Card: Volcano], and buy [Stump of Time] and/or [Soul Casket].
Taking a look on the trinkets they seem fairly equal to each other in terms of overall dps, with the exception of the Darkmoon card, which also could give an extra of mana if evocation was used before the proc expired. So should I just take the ones I want to? (eg. is the difference not really that big?)

Reviction · 12/20/10, 4:12 PM

Returning to wow after a 9 month break. I have an 80 hunter with some ok IceCrown gear. I will be trying to level wtih quests and instances. Any idea for a solid spec? I'm somewhat out of the loop on what to use. I've read some of this forum and it seems SV is still viable? Is BM still the way to go for leveling, and if so will I lose some DPS in instances?

BxInscoe · 12/20/10, 4:37 PM

I do not see . . Darkmoon Card: Hurricane in this thread . . . anyone confirm this is as good as it sounds for feral druids?