Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 146

Veovis_ · 01/28/09, 8:58 AM

28.01.09 - Did something changed today ? I try since few hours to get a good timed Abarr after AM but no way. There are two reasons, my connection isnt simply to bad or blizzard changed something. If anyone could confirm that clipping isnt fixed would be awsome.

greetz

Veovis_ · 01/28/09, 9:12 AM

Could anyone please confirm that the effect with Abarr before the 5th AM still is using the 3 X AB debuff stack ? Becaue I realy dont get it running, even if I use ABarr after the 3rd AM ... no using of this 3 x AB debuff stack.

Veovis_ · 01/28/09, 9:21 AM

Thanks Choh, that explains all

. I would say Arcane needs to be rethink, without that clipping bug it will loose heavy on power.

Daysha · 01/28/09, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Jitterberry

A few people recently have questioned me about the hit cap for Judgements and I always answer 8% because that is what I have felt it is. Many ask for proof since they are stuck thinking it is 9% and I couldn't really provide much solid evidence which frustrated me. Since I have no life and simply couldn't stand not *knowing*, I went and tested with 8% (8.08% to be exact, it was the closest I could get) hit and 1000 casts later had 0 misses. I now feel pretty confident in saying that Judgement requires only 8% hit to prevent misses. Pretty sure we all knew this but thought I would share the screenshot for those to use as they see fit.

the best 2.2 hours ever! thanks

Radroit · 01/28/09, 11:04 AM

Former BM hunter who has jumped on the SV bandwagon post-patch. I always wanted to play SV put couldn't justify the lowered DPS to the guild (plus I frankly found from a couple short forays into the spec that I was intimidated by all the things I had to do).

I'm enjoying the spec but there's no doubt it is more challenging to play well than BM was.

My gear is not nearly as good as most of the guys that write here, but I thought I would share a couple of things I've 'discovered' thus far. These are all my personal opinions based on personal experience...not to be confused with the excellent in-depth research that some provide here. But my intent is to help those who are also moving from BM to SV.

First, remove Arcane Shot from your hotbar...it's probably a mistake to use it (a mistake also to spec into improving it, imo).

I do use a macro for those fairly infrequent times I can stand still and shoot. It is simply ES-SS-SS. I've found that at my lag-rate this seems to get ES up fastest.

I have tied KS and KC to all my shots (perhaps this is a mistake, but it seems to work nicely).

I try to keep Serpent Sting up manually, usually with a pretty fair success rate.

I manually apply ES after a LnL proc, sometimes just timing the next ES, sometimes inserting an Aimed Shot between them. I tried many different macros for this, and concluded that manual is best.

I'm a guy who loves to watch the action...I get a kick out of seeing the other toons' animations, and I like the feel of the fights. Because of my desire to watch the screen as opposed to watching timing bars, I struggled with a few different ways of tracking LnL (when I first switched to SV I missed half of the LnL procs...I was overwhelmed with all the stuff I had to do). Anyway, after experimenting with several different timing bars, I settled on EventAlert (sorry, don't know how to link, but it's on Curse).

EventAlert is very lightweight and offers only one thing for hunters: the LnL proc. But to me the best feature is the audio alert it sounds. It's customizable and a Godsend for people like me who have too much to look for already. I have mine set to give a pirate "YARRR" when activated, and it's pretty hard to miss...and funny as hell too.

Glyph-wise I use Serpent Sting, Steady Shot, and Hawk. Talent-wise I chose sniper, figuring I can still trap to my heart's delight with it (certain bosses make this very convenient), but if I can't trap easily I go max range and benefit from the talent.

I use Cheeky's/Shandara's spreadhseet. Every decision I make is based in large part on what that spreadsheet says; my sole exception atm is my selection of Trap Mastery, a nod to my PVP side.

I switched from a cat to a raptor (based on the spreadsheet), but interestingly my first use of the raptor resulted in exactly the same amount of DPS (Nax25) as the cat provided.

Again, this is just a recount of what I've found as I try to learn SV. Your results may vary.

My thanks for the intelligent conversation I have found here.

Rankiz · 01/28/09, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cranberry

IMO, JC/Mining for PvP. Mining provides a tremendous stamina buff, and the JC trinkets are fantastic. That said, any profession will give a benefit of similar magnitude, it's a question of what you want out of it. Do you want stam? Hit? AP?

Ah, I forgot to mention... I am a mage!

Btw, anyone got a pricelist of how mutch JC items should cost at AH?
So I can check if it is worth to lvl JC+mining at my server.

And since I will mostly do PvP.
As a JC u dont need to be a hardcore raider to get recipes etc?

Imkan · 01/28/09, 11:36 AM

Thank you for teh answer, I would catch him on TS to speak about that. Would you link me the macro m8 ? Because this post is so huge..; I do not think i would find it.

(HS : It's not a real down on the WWS, we just kill Sartha2D to finish the week)

KraxisSingular · 01/28/09, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by greendef

Ossirian: Usual tactic of pulling him to the crystals for debuffs. If you wipe, run through the whole area and click all crystals which haven't despawned yet, since they will get bugged if they stay up for the next try. Pay special attention to the starting crystal, I had 12 bugged crystals up there at some point. Ptherwise it's just hoping that everything works out.

Ahhhh... so that's the issue. Good to know that. Thanks.

Norther · 01/28/09, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by forostie

This is common sense. I've noticed quite a few questions regarding specs/presences etc, these would best be serviced in the specific threads created for said specs. This thread is for posting your exceptional parse of you doing considerably high damage - it's not the place to come if you've specced blood for the first time and are wondering why your half-assed belligerent effort produced sub-par, or even sub-tank DPS.

The spec specific threads are well monitored by a number of very helpful Death Knights who play their specs to an art, and will provide the most answers.

I agree sort of. This thread is more of finding whats the best DK dps. Currently it seems there's a bunch of ties, so going any route will be just about good. However, once we find out what is that OMFGROFLTOPDMGSPEC (LOLUSEDTOBE BM FOR HUNTERS) then I can safely say 90% of us are going to spec it, and this thread will turn into how to play that spec

.

I realize its not hard for people who have time to come and read through every respective dk thread, but for the newbies who are TRYING to learn and who don't have time, we might as well try to help

.

I myself am trying a crapton of specs. I'll post something once I break 3.5k raid dps again

. (Might be my 25 man makeup. It's pretty fail.)

Bren · 01/28/09, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rankiz

Ah, I forgot to mention... I am a mage!

Btw, anyone got a pricelist of how mutch JC items should cost at AH?
So I can check if it is worth to lvl JC+mining at my server.

And since I will mostly do PvP.
As a JC u dont need to be a hardcore raider to get recipes etc?

All of this can be answered with a few wowhead searches.

Is it profitable to prospect ore? Check your AH for Saronite and gem prices, then check wowhead for the prospecting tables. Specific prices from other servers will never help you, as you have to look at the whole picture.

Do you need to be a raider to get JC recipes? Check wowhead for the source of recipes.

By the way, you should probably re-read the forum rules if you don't want to be infracted for your posting style.

Marxalian · 01/28/09, 12:18 PM

much appreciated, i seem to remember a few versions back it appeared to be ranking it accordingly....guess somewhere it got mixed up..

cheers

Hyperial · 01/28/09, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Raggsokk

This have been asked way too many times.

You do NOT lose any damage when RV get refreshed by another critical DS/Judgement. The debuff will reset, but the damage that haven't harmed the target yet, will be added in addition to the damage from the "new"/refreshing tick.

If lets say Judgement crit for 8000 damage. Righteous Vengance will be put on the target dealing 40% of this damage.
3200 damage over 8 seconds. The debuff tick every second, 400 damage.

4 seconds after the judgement crit, you deal a 4000 damage crit with Divine Storm. That's 200 damage each tick, counting DS only!

But, in reality it will in this situation tick for 400 damage. Why? Because the first Righteous Vengeance have dealt only 1600 damage, while it "promise" to deal 3200.

The 1600 leftover damage is instead of just dropping off, added to the new crit. (First RV leftovers + New RV debuff) / 8 = damage per tick. You don't loose any damage.

Conclusion: 40% additional damage == 40% additional damage!

Thanks for clarifying, you've been a great help.

McInaction · 01/28/09, 12:55 PM

For bloodlord you don't have to kill the raptor.

You can evade it out by standing on the temple ledge and healing your pet, it's far less risky then trying to heal your pet through the enrage and as long as you don't cast mend pet or attack during a gaze you're fine. You can also despawn the raptor by pulling aggro during a glare and as you get ported to the boss FD'n. The timing is wonky and it's unreliable so I usually just evade the damn thing.

krogy · 01/28/09, 1:09 PM

iv been doing zg for 3 resets now

first and second reset i specced bm tanking spec and pet tank

first reset i did bloodlord and tiger solo and rest with a friend druid

second i did all solo(expect for jindo cba)

3rd time i cba respeccing did it all as surv and pet on dmg spec(as though but doable)

only 3rd time i used 2t5sp the 2 first clears i used my normal gear

few points:

bloodlord is the easyest:

u jump on the second stair of the pyramid that way u cant take any dmg ur healing will pull the raptor on u and he evades so u can ignore him completly all u gotta do is make sure u dont overaggro ur pet(or ull get ported down) and keep ur pet alive.

tiger boss:

first of all clear the area around unlike the OP
pet tanks all, mana drain shaman
stay maxed ranged their dps output can be nasty and some point the gouge is ur healing break its gives ur pet enough time to get 3 ticks of mend pet which is well more then enough rest is trivial stay alive stay with low aggro and keep ur pet alive

panther boss was by far the hardest, as bm was alot easyer then as surv but was still doable as surv:

let ur pet tank her at the entrance u gotta burst her down as fast as u can stand close to ur gorrila so unless ur marked the thunderstomp will peel them off u
whenever ur lose enough hp finish the tigers that are alive, fd(make sure ur far enough not to eat teh boss's ww's) the panthers will stop coming to u(they will keep spwaning) when its clear u get up bandge fast ull finish it before the first 1 comes.
aoe them all down and go back to boss bursting.
its not an endurance fight, i tried it doesnt work u gotta burst her down asap before ur 2 low on hp(the bandges wont outheal the dmg they will jsut buy u more time).

jindo is easy but boring he doesnt buff hakkar so u dont have to do him:

clear abit so u wont pull adds u dont use ur pet here.
start fighting him either melee him down and use immo traps or try running around and shooting(2 much work) every 15 secs or so he will use mc totem which will mc u, cuz theres no more hostile targets u will evade and gain full hp he will and then jindo will start evading first stage the totem will despawn that second u have to get aggro back on him before he gets his hp back
rest of the fight is just boring shit

mgt heroic: i managed to do first 2 bosses easly as bm and surv the 5man 3rd boss was hard as hell(was bm had shaman,fury,rogue,warlock and ofc the priest) my best try was downing the 2 healers the prob is they have no damn aggro so most of the time they ignore the pet and go straight for me
since then im doing it every day for the mount with a guildy

rigormortis · 01/28/09, 1:15 PM

sorry, bit early in the morning, still a bit tired.

last night did patch, averaged 7-8k tps

im not saying im some god of this game, ive only been tanking for about 3 weeks.

im merely speaking from personal experience, as being someone that has played this game since day 1.

flame me all you want, i really dont care. i'll try getting more expertise, to see how much of a difference it does in fact make.

i dont do math, and base EVERYTHING off number crunching. im oldschool, i merely base my opinions off my own personal experience.

sorry i come from a time when theorycrafting wasnt around. i played hardcore pre-bc, and had many server firsts. then i went to go serve my country in the airforce, since coming back, ive gotten back into hardcore raiding, and just play to enjoy the game. so im sorry, i value serving my country, and taking care of actual rl situations, then bothering with all the theorycrafting; i leave that to you "pro's"

so im not a genius like the rest of you. ;(