Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1478

mistervek · 01/02/11, 12:44 PM

ok so is mastery better then crit? what gems should i be stacking in my gear? i've notice a lot of gear with haste but no hit rating. and should i be stacking hit gems in my gear?

gibbytank · 01/02/11, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Skyhard

First time poster here, Long time reader.

So far i have noticed that threat is really no problem in raids, Maybe our dps isnt insanely hard but so far on omnitron/halfus its been a cakewalk, the healing is tough tho and i often seemyself put on insight and spamming word of glory on the raid. Is anyone feeling this way, Or is it just me not trusting my healers enough. I know HP´ain supposed to be topped, put people are often below 10-15%.

Also, Can we expect to hit block cap this expansion, My current item level is 252(equipped) and im at 75% total. block beeing 48.44% So it feels like its a bit to go still.

I agree with skyhard.
But somehow I'm having a hard time while running heroics. I have NO IDEA of what am i doing wrong...
I can keep threat just fine (except if there's a warrior dps in the group. Somehow warriors keep steeling my aggro even after I cast Hand of Reckoning, Avenger's Shield, Hammer of the Righteous and on the last case, Hand of salvation..)
Queuing for random Heroics has been a torment for me. I'm really scared to do so. I often see myself with 15% Health and during the boss fights i can't really hold myself from pressing the Lay on Hands button, since after so many wipes, I have no trust on healers anymore.
Maybe I'm using the wrong enchants or wrong gems or even doing wrong rotations. I've followed the post on the first page that said that we were supposed to HIT/EXP cap and then reforge the some avoidance to mastery, but it actually didn't help me at all. So, after reading further comments, i have decided to forget about mitig/avoidance and reforge mastery,but still no success.

Can anybody help me out to figure what's wrong?? You can check my character on wowarmory...

Here are the rotations i'm doing..

Single target = AV>CS>J>CS>HW>SotR or AV when it procs and sometimes WoG to heal me/others up in some cases.

AOE = AV>HotR>J>HotR>HW>HotR using Consecration whenever is possible

akbinhil · 01/02/11, 1:22 PM

I noticed some funny behavior with how Imp Serpent Sting works.

Taking off all proc gear I tried the following (all with 2/2 in Imp Serpent Sting) on a raider's training dummy:

Serpent Sting
Multi-shot 1/2 in Serpent Spread
Multi-shot 2/2 in Serpent Spread

My results:
Every single serpent application (no matter the source) hit for 2259 and every single one crit for 4654.

This means that Serpent Spread is hitting based on a full-length Serpent Sting. Which brings me to the conclusion that only 1 point in Serpent Spread is necessary for AoE as long as you can multi every 6 seconds.

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't see it).

vellon · 01/02/11, 1:34 PM

Which spec is currently the strongest for PvE dps?

Recab · 01/02/11, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by Powerslave

As far as gemming is concerned,you shouldn't be using your chimera's eyes on 67 hit,they must be used for 67 strength instead.

This is simply not true. Until you are at the 27% hit cap, STR offers a lower per-point value than HIT. Please explain your reasoning behind taking Bold over Rigid gems and offer any proven math to support your claim.

Olenorske · 01/02/11, 1:45 PM

I've been looking at the crafted JC Agi neck pieces too, as a guildie was asking me about which was better.

[Brazen Elementium Medallion]

and

[Entwined Elementium Choker]

Being combat spec'd, I feel less likely to craft the haste version. But from my understanding, and correct me if I'm incorrect, that haste does help some what in energy regen. And that Mastery is still, atm, a weaker stat over say crit in the aspect of reforging.

I'm tempted to make the 2nd, and ignore the socket bonus and pop in a [Delicate Inferno Ruby], is my logic flawed here?

Kroyfel · 01/02/11, 2:02 PM

If you ignore the socket bonus on the neck with the yellow socket, they will both have 188 total agility.

Using the sample EP weights for both necks (after reforging crit to expertise):

[Brazen Elementium Medallion]
(68*0.95) + (102*1.5) + (44*1.6) = 288

[Entwined Elementium Choker]
(39*0.95) + (128*1.5) + (26*1.6) = 270,65

So the first neck is the better choice by a clear margin, even when not reforging to expertise.

Jaerel · 01/02/11, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by elvensnow

Is it possible to get a link to the 31/6/2 + 2 spec? I'd really like to better see which talents you are recommending. If there's already a link in the post, I apologize for missing it, but I didn't see one

Also I really have to question the 6 in frost just to pick up Lichborne. I understand the talents utility - if it was in Blood or first tier Frost then I would unquestionably pick it up. But because you have to essentially waste 5 points to get it, now at a time when talent points are more at a premium than ever, I just can't really justify to myself to get it over taking more survival/threat from Blood or even Unholy.

All Lichborne does is add a little situational utility for times when fear could be a problem, and the self heals from DC. I understand that Blood tanking now is about self healing, but to take Lichborne just to rely on DC heals seems a little overboard. I usually trust my healers a lot more than that and I also have plenty of other CDs to pop if my health is getting low. LB doesn't even add armor or threat or anything else that could be useful so... I just don't see it.

If someone can justify to me why I should waste an otherwise useful 5 points to get LB I might consider it (or explain to me why those 5 points in Frost would be beneficial...), but so far the rationale is beyond me. I certainly don't begrudge people who prefer it, and as I said I can certainly see its situational utility. Maybe I'm just not far enough end game yet to see the true benefit.

Thanks!

I was skeptical at first, till I tried it. Think about it like this though: It's essentiall lay-on-hands with a 2min cd (and situationally better, if you have a huge vengeance stack). If you were to compare the damage mitigated (or less healing rec'd required) over the course of your other cds, it's far and away better than bone shield or DRW and under most normal circumstances vamp blood (and closer than you'd probably think to IBF).

Mostly though, additional threat talents aren't particularly useful at this point and the only survivability points you end up skipping are possibly bloodworms (which are much more questionable in their usefulness than LB, 6 points or not).

Stratan · 01/02/11, 2:29 PM

I scanned through the thread and ran a search, and I wasn't able to find an answer for this question. As a jewelcrafter, is it better to go with 3 Fractured Chimera's Eyes (67 Mastery), 3 Solid Chimera's Eyes (101 Stamina), or a mix of both?

Conscience · 01/02/11, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by akbinhil

I noticed some funny behavior with how Imp Serpent Sting works.

Taking off all proc gear I tried the following (all with 2/2 in Imp Serpent Sting) on a raider's training dummy:

Serpent Sting
Multi-shot 1/2 in Serpent Spread
Multi-shot 2/2 in Serpent Spread

My results:
Every single serpent application (no matter the source) hit for 2259 and every single one crit for 4654.

This means that Serpent Spread is hitting based on a full-length Serpent Sting. Which brings me to the conclusion that only 1 point in Serpent Spread is necessary for AoE as long as you can multi every 6 seconds.

(Sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't see it).

It has; it's even in the OP.

Serpent Spread - Recommended. This talent has no effect on single targets but is incredibly powerful in multi target situations. See the AoE section. You may only want to include 1 point since the only difference is a 6 vs. 9 second duration, and in a heavy AoE situation you will be using another Multi Shot before it wears off.

Esor85 · 01/02/11, 2:52 PM

I'm just curious if its been completely figured out what race would be best for Enhance PvE. Please don't say play what you like (I already do it's a Shaman). I'm looking strictly min/max for PvE.
Thanks

deeplove · 01/02/11, 2:56 PM

Hi everyone. Just created the account not to long ago but I'm always reading and looking for info and stuff, but I recently just started playing a Druid. Feral Kitty at that. I'm using the Mangle, Rake and Claw at the moment and I'm sure I'm doing it all wrong. I know that you guys basically post up info for end game stuff, but I wanted to know if someone could help me with some info on how I should go about leveling my Druid. I'm a level 47 now. I guess I'm stacking Agility also. I'm mainly PvEing and not much dungeons. I'm trying to blow by just to get to 80. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry if I'm posting in the wrong spot also. If someone could direct me then I'll go.

thelordymir · 01/02/11, 3:24 PM

Question: Str weighs out in the long run correct? I'm wondering as I have the bloodthirsty helm/gloves and boots. I only see a very minor drop in crit, hardly any drop in haste when reforged and they give more str then the heroic blues I had (Stonemasons helm, hematite gloves, waywatchers boots). Should I stick with the pvp items till raid gear comes along, as I see no negative side effect yet from swapping in the pvp pieces (2 set bonus gives 70str as well).

Nipplies · 01/02/11, 3:41 PM

Does anyone have a good enhance pvp talent build? Im just switching over and have not played enhance since wrath of LK.

Akheva · 01/02/11, 4:16 PM

Originally Posted by Zarrdok

Hey, i got a generall question. Does weaponspeed actually still matter for 2h Unholy? As with slow weapons we have harder hits, however sllightly lower Rotfc uptime and less DC procs. So, u got some idea how the value of 0,1 speed approx. is?

I've been wondering the same thing, especially when your looking at weapons in the ilvl 346 area. There are so many options given the stats teh themselves how does speed / top end dmg effect our dps. I currently have a access to every ilvl 346 wep but even after looking at the dps meters it seems hard to put a value on the actual speed / top end.

Take [Arced War Axe] vs [Blade of the Fearless], given your not a orc which would be better. How does speed / topend calculate into dps.