Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1500

Manbis · 01/07/11, 10:16 PM

You will still cast at least the same amount of fireballs BUT additionally scorches because of the faster fireballs.

Danath · 01/07/11, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by cky71321

The screenshots above are mine - should be noted that the first PTR parse was done without much insight into reforging and seeking out new Mastery gear to throw on. After obtaining some pieces of gear with Mastery on it (including the Guardians of Hyjal belt, Mastery ring, JC trinket, etc), I ran another solid 10 minute test. Needless to say, the DPS difference was quite staggering - well over 13K DPS sustained on the ?? Raider's Testing Dummy over ~11.5K currently on Live. I assume that the Vicious Gladiator's Scaled Helm will almost become BIS before heroic content due to the flat Mastery along with the PVP set bonuses for Strength.

One nice side effect of this Mastery change is that any item that has Mastery + Hit/Expertise (especially rings/necks) can be freely swapped between Retribution and Protection without gimping either spec.

It would also seem like the PTR build is rather old; in fact, CS base damage is equal to Live, HoL isn't benefiting from Inquisition and Rebuke is still a talent.

The actual scenery is still a bit foggy, we'll have to wait for a proper PTR patch to update the build at the official patch notes.

elusivedotone · 01/07/11, 11:21 PM

delete please.

truewraith666 · 01/07/11, 11:27 PM

hi,

please can you help me set up my 85 hunter for solo'in old zones etc

all i need to know is whats spec to use and talents and which is best pet and the talents best to use, would be very greatful for this info pls.

most times i would prob have a priest with me but want to use pet as tank for us!

massive thanks advance
nick

ps. always been mm hunter but can change if needed...

stasal · 01/08/11, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by greatzar

And longer duration of living bomb means longer intervals between explosions, so it can be even considered a dps drop...

Um, as far as i know, the duration of the debuff is 12 seconds always. So more haste just gives you more ticks during the given period of time. That's why 4 ticks per 12 seconds is less dps than 5 or more ticks per 12 seconds, and 12.5% of haste is reachable and will increase overall dps

Zhil · 01/08/11, 1:07 AM

Originally Posted by Miril

I'm hearing rumors that Volcano now procs off of DoTs. That would make it incredible for affliction. Can anyone confirm this?

Yes, Volcano procs off DoTs and direct damage spells. Just tested using both exclusively.

grimtage · 01/08/11, 1:30 AM

Insightful Earthsiege metagem. Why is no one bothering to theorycraft it's regen against Ember Shadowspirit?

Handled · 01/08/11, 1:36 AM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

Stat	Value
Str	1
Hit	.296
Exp	.190
Mastery	.184
Crit	.130
Haste	.128

Can you tell me where AP is sitting on that scale?

PTR Test Data

Things to note, HoW is still procing Hurricane 100%. I had noticed DPS was 2K or so lower than live but HoL not damaging target dummies explains quite a bit. I did a few different tests to try and get a feel for what would be the best.

I went and reforged all crit/haste to Mastery about the same DPS 11K which makes sense as HoL was doing no damage.

Queued for and ran a few instances unfortunately people in full premade gear can't handle heroic encounters to this day so I had to hold off DPS I instantly out threat tanks. Could just be the entire pug thing I'm really not sure. So here you can see the difference between a dummy and boss kills.

I'm about 2 weeks behind the raiding curve on VP so I don't have 2PC T11 yet so I'm running with 2PC Vicious and 2PC Bloodthirsty making use of the 4PC for now.

Target Dummy Test

You can still see Hand of Light damage is 5th and it seems to be a trend in the runs that I have done on bosses it makes it to 5th and sometimes 4th. This recount is from the 2nd boss in VP.

Final boss in VP HoL sitting @ 5 still for this boss.

This data is the entire run, You can actually see where divine storm has become useful the extra damage is noticeable.
Hand of Light comes in 3rd a lot of that has to do with DS you can really see the damage difference we can actually AE again.

All in all I'm pretty happy with the changes the DPS has definitely gone up.

fok · 01/08/11, 2:07 AM

how about "Invocation" talent?

smth like this:
WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie.

There are many encounters where we can use counterspell, but we will waste gcd on it (+interrupt our cast if casting).
I think 6-7 sec with +10% dmg is amazing, so why nobody uses this talent?

saxrulez · 01/08/11, 2:23 AM

Originally Posted by Zhil

Yes, Volcano procs off DoTs and direct damage spells. Just tested using both exclusively.

This is false on live right now. It is still off of direct damage only. Unless you are talking about the PTR, if so please update me.

With that said, the uptime of this trinket as affliction is very very close to destruction.

Soulfires, shadowbolts, and haunt all will proc the trinket. Even during execute phases, you are still using soulfires, haunts, and instant shadowbolts.

warlockbtd · 01/08/11, 3:12 AM

Just tested - can confirm that DMC volcano is only proccing off of direct damage on live.

Also, the haste "cap" of 2639 is factored at a critical point of 20.6~ percent haste from gear.
What is the cap with the goblin racial?

Phrixos · 01/08/11, 3:39 AM

I have a question about trinkets. I am currently using tia's grace and key. I picked up essence of the cyclone week before last and it has just been sitting in my bags cause the ratings were higher for the two blue heroic ones I have. I should be getting fluid death mid next week with the rest of my valor points. Until they buff crit should I just use fluid and Tia then? I wouldn't figure fluid and key cause of so much extra hit even with reforge. Or possibly with different gear set ups would my essence find use? Any info would be helpful. Thank you.

Queal · 01/08/11, 4:56 AM

I have been going over some logs from our Halfus 25 heroic wipes this week and I think I found something very disturbing.

First off: We all know the 1/2 pyromaniac bug; put 1 talent in it for a continuous 5% haste buff.

Now, during Halfus heroic, all drakes are up and I thought it would be usefull for 2/2 pyromaniac for some extra haste. I also have the 4 set tier bonus which reduces cast speed of fireball by 10%.
The other mage in our raid doesn't have 4 set tier bonus yet and he used 1/2 pyromaniac for the 5% buff bug.

Here are the logs:
Me on First Log 6:06 and on Second Log 6:07
The other mage on First Log 6:06 and on Second Log 6:07

I noticed this:
First fight
Me: Pyromaniac 5% buff, amount: 14 Uptime: 116.6s (31.7 %)
Other mage: Pyromaniac 5% buff, amount: 37 Uptime: 227.8s (61.9 %)

Second fight
Me: Pyromaniac 5% buff, amount: 14 Uptime: 141.3s (38.3 %)
Other mage: Pyromaniac 5% buff, amount: 33 Uptime: 204.3s (55.4 %)

Something is off here. I didn't notice any change in the cast time for my fireballs, they were still 1,8s casts like before when I used the 1/2 pyromaniac. That why I looked this up.
Is this caused by the pyromaniac bug? Does 2/2 pyro doesn't work at all? Or is there an issue with the tier bonus, do they not stack?

Zodiacs · 01/08/11, 5:11 AM

Originally Posted by Darian_TruBlade

Q: What are my stat priorities?
A: Get 8% Hit (including Precision), 26 Expertise. After that, Strength > Hit (up to 27%) > Crit > Haste == Mastery.

Is this still accurate since it's almost impossible to get to hit cap? I figure a good balance between hit/crit would be better to keep flurry up more often.

vukae · 01/08/11, 5:29 AM

Originally Posted by Queal

First off: We all know the 1/2 pyromaniac bug; put 1 talent in it for a continuous 5% haste buff.

This is not the full extent of the Pyromaniac bug. With 1/2 points you get the (2 point) 10% bonus with fire on 3 targets as well as the 5% flat buff. In its current state by going 2/2 pyromaniac all you are doing is losing the flat 5% haste buff.