Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1505

razzrs · 01/10/11, 4:16 AM

is there a max for sprit my combat regen is 1711 and even after i put a new gem and enchant in it did not move plzz help

Inasaras · 01/10/11, 4:42 AM

Originally Posted by hotmetal

The fact that he is a Worgen further lowers the haste "milestone" for him.
A *lot* of that haste has to be reforged to crit.

Can you explain why to me? I get +1% crit from being a Worgen but there is nothing about additional haste.
I currently have reforged all I can to crit rating, while still having 8.36% extra haste. This gives me a CoS of 1.64 seconds, but because of input lag I can not fit 3 CoS into one ES cooldown. ES is off cooldown for about 0.2 seconds before I can fire it because I'm still shooting CoS. Should I still just reforge everything to crit? Or should I get me a bit more haste so I can actually fit 3 CoS into one ES CD properly?

Also, dragoonvengeance, I might have answered my own question but if you read my post in its entirety you would have noticed that I was looking for confirmation. I was reforging to haste to check out how low I could get my CoS cast time.

Justin2240 · 01/10/11, 4:49 AM

I have a question if I may.... I have a real concern with my toon Antsem. He doesn't have a whole lot of gear on him right now but he's lvl 85 and I'm just trying to maximize his dps as much as I can at this point. I do realize that there is now point if he's low geared but I've been looking at the new Rawr beta that's out and for some reason when I look at the reforge data that I have it says that I need to reforge it to something else. Now I understand that this is natural. This is not the problem. The problem is when I go to reforge it (trust me before I do refore I make sure that the rawr data is accurate with the in game data) then recheck the data by logging out and updating WoW armory and then open rawr back up it say I need to reforge it again with something else. Is this a bug or am I really just a noob? Plz help I've been looking and reading these forums for the last year even though I haven't been a member for that long. I've been following everything to the letter about my class and I could really just need some guidance here.. thanks to you all in advance.

lagavulin · 01/10/11, 5:46 AM

Originally Posted by Justin2240

I have a question if I may.... I have a real concern with my toon Antsem. He doesn't have a whole lot of gear on him right now but he's lvl 85 and I'm just trying to maximize his dps as much as I can at this point. I do realize that there is now point if he's low geared but I've been looking at the new Rawr beta that's out and for some reason when I look at the reforge data that I have it says that I need to reforge it to something else. Now I understand that this is natural. This is not the problem. The problem is when I go to reforge it (trust me before I do refore I make sure that the rawr data is accurate with the in game data) then recheck the data by logging out and updating WoW armory and then open rawr back up it say I need to reforge it again with something else. Is this a bug or am I really just a noob? Plz help I've been looking and reading these forums for the last year even though I haven't been a member for that long. I've been following everything to the letter about my class and I could really just need some guidance here.. thanks to you all in advance.

Are the overall stat amounts changing? I usually would ignore discrepancies like this previously when it came to gemming because a lot of times it would tell me to regem pieces but the overall stats would be exactly the same (like switching what piece a jc only strength gem should go in, even though my end amount of strength remained the same) So when it figures out your stats it might just take a different path in telling you to reforge but you're actually ending up with the same values. Now that there are both gems and reforging available the amount of total overall choices is increased that could end up being identical in terms of dps.

Drumstickx · 01/10/11, 5:49 AM

First of all, sorry for my english, it isn't my native language. It's my first post in these forums so I just hope to be useful.

I m mainly interested in two points: 1)fel flame use and 2)the priority between use the soulburn instant cast to get the Imp SF or to summon a succub. at the beginning of a fight (after use demon soul with the fel hunter). I don't know how to test the first one; with respect to the second one I have been testing it against a dummy for days, and I hardly noticed the difference between these two ways...it depends on "when the trinket's procs come out", so...can anyone give any reasonable argument in favor of one of these?

Thanks for the incredible post and excuse me again for my awful english,

Justin2240 · 01/10/11, 5:57 AM

Well other then the stats that it tells me to reforge, in my character window (in game) my dps doesn't change (the actual dps rating I guess) my Str doesn't change and my AP doesn't change also..... the only ones that I see changing are Exp, Haste, Crit, Mastery, and Hit. Yet again these are the only ones that Rawr have told me to reforge..... I also tested out on a training dummy to see if there was any recount dps change and nothing too significant. I've never had this problem before Rawr has always been pretty straight forward up until now..... another thing the only piece of gear that I have are my head piece and my Libram.

lowsanity · 01/10/11, 6:06 AM

Originally Posted by Justin2240

I have a question if I may.... I have a real concern with my toon Antsem. He doesn't have a whole lot of gear on him right now but he's lvl 85 and I'm just trying to maximize his dps as much as I can at this point. I do realize that there is now point if he's low geared but I've been looking at the new Rawr beta that's out and for some reason when I look at the reforge data that I have it says that I need to reforge it to something else. Now I understand that this is natural. This is not the problem. The problem is when I go to reforge it (trust me before I do refore I make sure that the rawr data is accurate with the in game data) then recheck the data by logging out and updating WoW armory and then open rawr back up it say I need to reforge it again with something else. Is this a bug or am I really just a noob? Plz help I've been looking and reading these forums for the last year even though I haven't been a member for that long. I've been following everything to the letter about my class and I could really just need some guidance here.. thanks to you all in advance.

Rawr is not working for retribution right now. See this topic: Rawr - Rawr - View Issue #19423: [Ret Optimizer] Showing lower dps after optimization. .

Justin2240 · 01/10/11, 6:14 AM

Thank you sucks that it's not working right now. Sorry for posting in the wrong thread I tried looking for the Rawr Thread but I couldn't find it. Once again sorry and thanks for the link.

Thror · 01/10/11, 6:24 AM

Hmm. It seems like you believe that our survivability is never sufficient for the content we are progressing, and that any point spent into a stat that does not contribute to direct survivability is wasted. I never thought that my idea of hit possibly having a higher importance in smaller scale raid format would be dismissed as stupid this fast, nor did i expect this kind of treatment on these forums.

Rit · 01/10/11, 6:47 AM

So since mastery continue to be our weakest stat, does anyone have a link to a pre raiding bis list for fury? I'm finding that tons of gear has mastery on it which seems to be useful only insofar that you can reforge it into hit.

pinooos · 01/10/11, 6:53 AM

Did anyone reforged his gear into mastery on PTR. If so what are the results?

Justin2240 · 01/10/11, 6:53 AM

To get sort of back on the subject of this thread. I noticed that at the beginning it doesn't say what you want your Mastery Rating to be at ideally. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Amerius · 01/10/11, 7:35 AM

I've been running with a Holy Pally and we went 10-2 the first night playing games. From what I've seen so far this season, Pally>Druid. And I haven't ran any double DPS too give any input

AceRider · 01/10/11, 7:39 AM

Another option regarding the Beta-Rawr is that it calculates using all of your gear so whilst it may suggest to reforge itemA that will only prove benificial when you then reforge itemB & itemC to get the overall gain. If your just changing one piece and then updating your rawr stats it will load a new set of upgrades with the new stat information.

Originally Posted by Justin2240

To get sort of back on the subject of this thread. I noticed that at the beginning it doesn't say what you want your Mastery Rating to be at ideally. Can anyone shed some light on this?

At the moment it's all but useless for us so reforge what ever mastery you have using the reforge priority. However this may/ or may not change depending on what happens with the patch currently being tested on the PTR.

noctrnal · 01/10/11, 7:40 AM

So got curious and did some testing tonight, namely if it was an average net gain to use GoAK during AW or Zealotry, if there was a noticeable difference between waiting until 3 HP to pop AW at the beginning of a fight, and if using fillers during zealotry CS's was an average net loss (ie. delaying the next CS instead of waiting out the dead zone). These are the results on a raid level test dummy in Orgrimmar using only self buffs.

Wings (no pet) = 9k
Wings (pet) = 10k
Build up to 3 HP, Inq, Wings (no pet) = 11k
Build up to 3 HP, Inq, Wings (pet) = 13.5k [I feel procs played a part here]

Build up to 3 HP, Zealotry, Inq (no pet, no fillers) = 9k
Build up to 3 HP, Zealotry, Inq (pet) = 12k
Build up to 3 HP, Zealotry, Inq (no pet, fillers) = 10k
Build up to 3 HP, Zealotry, Inq (pet, fillers) = 12k

I understand a lot of these build ups will be completely RNG dependent on how quick you can pop CDs and will be modified for fight mechanics and BL/TW timings (not to mention raid buffs), but seems from these few short tests that it is more beneficial to use GoAK during AW and to open the fight with Inquisition into AW for a bigger start of fight burst. I'm still in the middle on whether using fillers (non HoL/exo proc'd fillers) are worthwhile during zealotry.

Trying to grind out some of the details before my guild goes into week 2 of raids. Any and all help out there would be appreciated.