Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1520

Bris · 01/12/11, 2:02 PM

Last night i had both [Claws of Agony][Claws of Torment] drop last night in our 25 man raid and i stuck them in the guild bank because i wanted ask a question here to be sure... These look like really really good SMF weapons.. My question is should i give them to the fury warrior in our guild or a Combat Rogue or Enhancement Shaman... I personally use TG so i am waiting for Chogal and Nefarian weapon drops but i was wondering how nice these are for fury... any feedback would be welcome

Oh one more thing the Wowhead Item link doesnt show but when both are used it has a chance to proc on hit a 1000 haste buff

Wikou · 01/12/11, 2:17 PM

Hi,
I have two question:

I'm a Fury Orc, and I have 27/24 in expertise with my racial orc. Do I have to up my OH to 26 or it will be a loss ?

I find no BiS list on Elitisjerk for the War Fury. Can you help me to find one ? Because I don't know what's the better for the two rings ... [Ring of Rivalry] [Band of Bees] or [Blauvelt's Family Crest]
All depends on my actually stats but I don't want to unnecessarily spend 20k or 1250points in a wrong ring.

Thanks.

Asdingol · 01/12/11, 3:23 PM

hello! my first post here!
i'd like to know how many haste is needed for an extra tick in DoTs, and about spell rotation, (i alrdy read what u post about that) is it better to use shadow orb always 3 stacked or spam them to have always up buff?
tnx

Danath · 01/12/11, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by Exemplar

Yes, I meant HoW.
There are numerous possibilities for HoW, from always available and Ret talent (not yet implemented) improves in some fashion (under wings, under 20%, whatever), straight out nerf to reduce its desirability in the priority, to accidental change. Until Blizzard states some given direction (either explicitly via a post/patch note, or a talent/ability difference shows a tooltip change) it's hard to discuss. We don't know the intent/goal (if there even is one), so we can't know how close it is to being reached.

Personally inclined to either accidental change or intentional change to make it de-prioritized above 20% and then go-to at that stage (to "shake up" gameplay when that threshold is reached). They can only buff TV and CS so far before PvP explosion on hit occurs, it may be necessary to lower other items damage to have them de-prioritized.

Yes, inclined towards the same possibilites as well here. Either an accidental change to revert, or intentional one to make it a filler ability above 20% and spam button at or under; I think it could really help balance our rotation both for mechanics and players fun. We'll find out soon though, 4.0.6 won't be on PTR much longer I think.

Metaknight · 01/12/11, 3:41 PM

Just how big of a difference is the loss of Dreadblade not affecting SS Shadow damage? I'd imagine it be pretty large espiacially since SS saw a large buff that would improve it's shadow damage done. I think that would effect Mastery's worth as a stat heavily if it didn't effect our main physical strike at all.

Also, what kind of numbers are you hitting with SS exactly? I'm actually very curious.

And is our Pet scaling with Crit issue and still not maximizing energy still not adressed?

Hollister · 01/12/11, 3:43 PM

Hello everyone,
So I took about three hours of time to marinate in all this information here on EJ as well as Tale of a Priest. I was holding myself at < or = to 13% haste as Holy prior to reading that i only need 4.5% haste in my panel which when added to 3/3 Darkness and 5% totem/character buff = out to 12.5% haste.
Once I reforged and re-gemmed some gear and brought my panel haste down to 4.5% haste i proceeded to continue on with heroics as I did prior to this change in my itemization and stats. I must say that while my AE healing throughput was much better, I was letting my geared guild tank die which never seemed to happen prior to my gear changing.
I understand that the changes i made are ideal for a raiding situation. Even though I have yet to raid with this change in itemization it dumbfounds me to understand how I or any other holy priests who are geared for raiding can maintain enough hps with this low amount of haste in heroics given the lower chance to get the 5% buff of haste.
Certainly I or even the tank could possibly be doing something wrong or it could be a factor of the dps, even with a full guild group but my suspicion lies with the haste % more-so than my abilities as a healer which i'm quite proud of.
Is it silly to think that healing in heroics as holy with 7.5% haste (including darkness) is seemingly more difficult than in a raid environment? Do i need to make two sets of gear, one with 9.5% panel + 3/3 darkness to = 12.5% for heroics and another specifically for raiding which takes into account for darkness and totem/character buff?
If there are any other suggestions or comments on this subject regarding heroics vs raid itemization and stat management, please share =)

cow8111 · 01/12/11, 4:16 PM

Quick question about avoidance:

Do dodge and parry share the same DR? I currently have about 30% avoidance with ~13 dodge and 17 parry since I use Swordshattering. Is it a bad thing to have such gap or should I try to scale them at roughly the same rate?

sparnicus · 01/12/11, 4:22 PM

Their DR is the same rate, but they do not share, no. Try to keep them about equal, minus the Swordshattering, which has nothing to do with the DR.

wyndchill · 01/12/11, 4:40 PM

There is, as always, a most amazingly huge amount of information on classes, abilities, skills, talents, and procedures here and elsewhere.

I have not seen in any place though, a useful assortment of tips for actual playing techniques; that is how do you physically play the game and with what tools?

Ive been playing since vanilla and fell into what I feel is not an optimal playing style. I use a keyboard with a nostromo n52 on my left side and a sidewinder mouse on my right.

I use bartender to setup all my buttons into either of the two and the keyboard is regulated to chat basically.

I move by holding down the two mouse buttons and all actions are performed via the nostromo.

This has long become something I'm accustomed to , but recently Ive found that I cannot manipulate my movement fast enough while responding to several attacks.

Can I get some skilled players to respond with theyre setup and a description of how they play the game - pictures of your actual desktop would be amazingly helpful.

thank you.

* ive recently gone from playing a frost mage, where spells and abilities dictated a slower pace pf response from me, to a fire mage, which seems to demand a much more proactive play style.

I have posted this on the basic wow forums and on arena junkies in order to obtain information from the widest player base possible - please do not see this as multi=forum spamming, which it is not.

cow8111 · 01/12/11, 5:03 PM

Awesome!! Without Swordshattering they're almost the same.

Evaine · 01/12/11, 5:09 PM

I know there's no Ret BiS lists at the moment, but has anyone done any modelling on trinkets? I'm sitting on some Valour Points and wondering whether I should plump for [License to Slay]

Wrekhan · 01/12/11, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by netsach

It has int and spellpower, the two stats that have the highest weight . i'd say that even if the numbers themselves are not the highest among the batch of available trinkets, the int/sp combo gets it to rank at an interesting place. Sadly, i've seen quite a few jewelcrafters using other (non-hit) trinkets in place of the figurine, which according to OP trinket chart effectively lowers their dps .

Though, i'm sure all would agree that unless used properly the JC trinket can be a dps downgrade. Through swapping mine for Volcano, I saw a personal dps gain of over 3k in a raid enviroment (link to logs World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis) and that was with me not keeping ISF up like its supposed to be maintained. Affliction will more than likely not see a buff as it appears to be considered the pvp tree for warlocks as it has our main pvp abilities, ie fear talents, so buffing that would take us away from where it appears that blizzard wants us positioned in the pvp damage dealing category.

Alexxcri · 01/12/11, 6:07 PM

I'm curious about Heroic Strike, will it ultimately get buffed or nerfed since in the last 5 days or so I think i've read it going back and forth at least 4 times. At the moment the latest patch notes say it's going from 75% to 93% wep dmg. Granted we lose war academy but it will most likely still hit harder. If it's not getting nerfed then what is the reasoning between cleave geting nerfed since our aoe isn't great as far as i've seen (in dungeons I cleave+WW 3 more more targets and barely get near warlocks or hunters)?

Also, I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet or not but wouldn't colossus smash be better off if used on cooldown instead of during a free GCD since it buffs our abilities so much? Or would it not be worth the pushback of a BT/RB?

Xeniqs · 01/12/11, 6:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ryethe

I can't comment on Halfus because I can't remember the situation from a few weeks ago, but Nefarian can be solo interrupted without reverberation. I do not have the talent and neither does our ele shaman who is also interrupting.

You don't need it on Halfus either, not on normal or heroic.

Edit: didn't see the second page, my bad

Asdingol · 01/12/11, 6:46 PM

hello! my first post here!
i'd like to know how many haste is needed for an extra tick in DoTs, and about spell rotation, (i alrdy read what u post about that) is it better to use shadow orb always 3 stacked or spam them to have always up buff?
tnx