Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1550

Nesut · 01/20/11, 5:20 AM

How are the stats ranked as of now ( or perhaps in 4.0.6)? the reason I ask is becouse when using rawr it keep telling me to get more haste either by getting an item with mastery/haste or reforging crit/hit/expertise. have set it to full raidbuffs and have not touched any other values.

Elito · 01/20/11, 5:29 AM

i have a question about enchants, does the hurricane enchant wich gives us haste proc also gives us energy regen ?
cause i read that you should use 2x1000ap enchant but since hurricane can proc 2 in a single enchant meaning (off-hand with it) wouldnt the extra haste/energy regen be better then 1000 ap?
Thanks in advance.

Shockadin · 01/20/11, 5:30 AM

It depends on your personal stats weighs. If you're not gooing oom, choose Norgannon, but spirit is far our best regen-stat. Just change the specific weights at this site and calculate again. But in the long run the Eonar will be better, due to the fact you will never be able to spam your greatest heal without gooing oom and thus you alway want to get more regen.

Sagithor · 01/20/11, 5:49 AM

Is the ilvl 365 pvp gloves best in slot, if there wont be any further changes on the ptr servers?

Øystein · 01/20/11, 5:59 AM

With the change in 4.0.6 for Enha that FT benefits from +AGI instead of +SP, does that mean that [Unsolvable Riddle] becomes much more preferable for Enha shammies?

Right now Rawr lists [Stump of Time] as one of the top non-heroic/raiding trinkets, partly due to +HIT and partly due to +SP I assume, while riddle isn't even in the top 10.

Noob shammie

DizRupT · 01/20/11, 6:00 AM

Originally Posted by jinxology

If UE just went on cooldown, and I'm switching to an add, where does FS fall in the priority queue? Should I just cast ES instead if I can't cast FS with the UE buff?

Isn't UF a self buff, not a debuff, so switching to an add shouldn't be an issue?

Tuminator · 01/20/11, 6:08 AM

Originally Posted by Sagithor

Is the ilvl 365 pvp gloves best in slot, if there wont be any further changes on the ptr servers?

With high levels of mastery the 5% to CS will be a huge DPS/burst increase. I would think that they would be a situational BiS depending on your individual mastery.

Shiyori · 01/20/11, 6:19 AM

I have a question.

I can understand that as threat is not an issue right now, many tanks are completely ignoring the hit and expertise caps.

But from what I read, mastery is our most important stat as blocking now reduces percentage rather than static amounts.

So that being said, why is it that just about every single paladin tank I'm checking on the armory is still stacking stamina in every gem slot?

I only just recently started playing again, and I thought I understood what stats were sought after, but it seems I'm wrong. And I'd like to be confident about what I'm doing.

Gir · 01/20/11, 6:30 AM

Thanks for all the information compiled here over at Elitist Jerks.

Sorry, the answer to this question can probably be SimCrafted but I am unable to get it to work on this computer.

I have a question regarding an Affliction Drain Spec in 4.0.6.
Since we no longer need to pick up ISF in Destruction, we could swap several talent points over to Demonology to pick up Mana Feed, giving us less time spent Life Tapping and more time spent Draining Life and only Shadow Bolting when we have a Shadow Trance proc up.

Considering the Succubus gives alot less mana returned through Mana Feed in comparison with let's say an Imp would the following spec be viable with a Felhunter (or even to some extent with a Succubus)? 31/7/3

Thanks in advance anyhow.

Lumines-EU · 01/20/11, 6:39 AM

Originally Posted by Shiyori

So that being said, why is it that just about every single paladin tank I'm checking on the armory is still stacking stamina in every gem slot?

There are two possible reasons for this: either the tanks you're checking out are gemming appropriately for the content they're running, or they don't know what they're doing.

I've read indications from some tanks who have recently started progressing through heroic modes that the mastery-heavy strategy they were using for normal modes isn't really cutting it in heroic raids, since they need a bit more stamina to live through magic + avoidable damage combos. Hence a more stamina-heavy gemming strategy. You could be seeing this.

My inner cynic thinks that you might well just be observing people gemming inappropriately for the content they're running, however. It's a huge assumption to make that random paladin tank #2387 on the armory actually has a clue about how to make appropriate gem and gear choices. Additionally, if one or two tanks in server-top guilds gem that way, it can proliferate throughout the rest of that server by people doing exactly what you're doing and trying to validate their own gearing choices by looking up somebody one would assume knows what they're doing and copying that. Their raiding circumstances may not match your own (heroic vs normal modes, as outlined above), or they may not be very well informed.

Shiyori · 01/20/11, 6:45 AM

Originally Posted by Lumines-EU

There are two possible reasons for this: either the tanks you're checking out are gemming appropriately for the content they're running, or they don't know what they're doing.

I've read indications from some tanks who have recently started progressing through heroic modes that the mastery-heavy strategy they were using for normal modes isn't really cutting it in heroic raids, since they need a bit more stamina to live through magic + avoidable damage combos. Hence a more stamina-heavy gemming strategy. You could be seeing this.

My inner cynic thinks that you might well just be observing people gemming inappropriately for the content they're running, however. It's a huge assumption to make that random paladin tank #2387 on the armory actually has a clue about how to make appropriate gem and gear choices. Additionally, if one or two tanks in server-top guilds gem that way, it can proliferate throughout the rest of that server by people doing exactly what you're doing and trying to validate their own gearing choices by looking up somebody one would assume knows what they're doing and copying that. Their raiding circumstances may not match your own (heroic vs normal modes, as outline above), or they may not be very well informed.

I see.

So as far as general gearing goes, if I'm not in need of a hefty extra bit of stamina to survive certain encounters, I should be gemming mastery?

One major downside to this is that the general player will look at a tank's health immediately and draw a conclusion on how well geared they are. I'm worried that as a paladin that isn't stacking stamina people will think I'm way less geared than I really am.

Anuji · 01/20/11, 6:47 AM

Originally Posted by Pirateking

Anuji, do you have the PTR on your computer? If you do, would you mind doing similar tests?

I would be very interested to try out Fury in it's current PTR form, but I can't download it due to my current internet plan.

Naw sry, my internet just sucks the client up.. don't know how to fix that hadn't that problem before :< tried to get it working for 2 days in a row now and it just cancels the download about halfway through.

And to ComMcneil: i think it's the better option to ever take a Bloodsurge Proc before you hit the next Bloodthirst even now on live slams are pretty much even with BT's (2pT11 brings more dmg to BT but if the second proccs another Bloodsurge it's afaik a dmg-loss)

Doogal · 01/20/11, 7:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tobrexa

100x CS without Inq gave me an average of roughly 2000 HoL dmg
100x CS with Inq gave me an average of roughly 2580 HoL dmg

This is looking nice, looking forwards to seeing new tested stat weights.

Aboose · 01/20/11, 7:11 AM

Originally Posted by Nesut

How are the stats ranked as of now ( or perhaps in 4.0.6)? the reason I ask is becouse when using rawr it keep telling me to get more haste either by getting an item with mastery/haste or reforging crit/hit/expertise. have set it to full raidbuffs and have not touched any other values.

I'd like to know that too since rawr wants me to reforge haste everywhere instead of mastery

Anuji · 01/20/11, 7:16 AM

CW could possibly be an incredibly nice, but, encounter based Trinket.. but as the progress goes, for now it's just a huge pain if it proccs in the worst few seconds of the fight.

Tested it myself, after i got it, on Nef, Chimaeron, Maloriak, Conclave and Council and either of those fights it procced just in those few worse-case seconds where i got halfblown up and received a full ragebar for pretty much doing nothing..

Let's pinpoint it a bit:
BWD:
Omnitron, due to the high amount of Movement and target switches, the possibility of a procc in a bad situation is very likely BUT if you get a procc when you have to AoE those slimes and don't have a fixate on you it cooould be pretty awesome.

Magmaw, a nice not sooooo much Enviromentaldmg-Encounter where CW could be nice, but if you get his lavaspit AoE in a procc your ragebar is full ;D - for the Head-Phase it's possible that it's a veeeryy huge trinket.

Maloriak, a Procc in the Dark-Phase would be Awesome.. but(!) if you're specced properly to do High-AoEdmg you're Arms.. and for that, haste just sucks, for fury it would be very nice to have a procc in those AoE-Phases.

Atramedes, here it just sucks.. had proccs myself right about where he would fly high in the sky and laughed at me trying to jump as high as he flies to attack him furthermore :<.

Chimaeron, this is the best encounter for being a pain in the ass.. for seconds you get a totally free full ragebar and in the next you get a -75% Hit debuff which just sucks up all your rage if you don't pay attention, CW just sucks here

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Nefarian, nawww.. HoR/LtS are pretty much the nicest trinkets you could have for this fight.. due to his AE, the Tailwhips of Onyxia, the High-AoE in Phase2 and the possibility of constantly crushing his badass tail is a nice Ragebar.

BoT:
Halfus, i can't give that much of a big test here, due to the fact that i have to tank on it :<, but i think.. the first half of the fight, where you bomb down pretty much everything and it's your goal to avoid those pesky little fires it would be nice. However in the second half of the fight it's a little twisted.. a procc right before his Roar fucks it up, a procc right after it gets you a pretty nice income of rage.

Valiona&Theralion, the incoming rage of the Debuff-dispel is just enough to get me my full attention on pressing CS,BT,RB & slam for it's full potential. i don't really think that Crushing Weight would outweight (funny wordplay here) the other possible Trinkets here.

Council, it's sooooo not cool if you get a procc right before you have to move (this encounter just sucks :<) for the various amounts of times.

Cho'Gall, you get a pretty decent Rage income throughout the fight because of his AE, allthough in the last Phase it could be very interesting to get procs while bombing the Eyes.

Tot4W:
Conclave, naw.. really? hopping out and in on the plattforms while getting proccs in a transition just made me cry a little bit

Al'Akir, too much Enviromental Rage income for that it could near as good as we want it to be.

Feel free to add something or flame me if i've gone too far ;D