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eeek · 01/20/11, 7:19 AM

Hi there just curious about a thing with pet dmg
Is is worth it going 1 point to carful aim and 1 to sic em and going 1 point for Wild hunt and 1 for shark atack on pets tree?
Forgot to mention i have a cat

Stopokingme · 01/20/11, 7:19 AM

As it stands currently, I'd take everything in RAWR with a huge grain of salt, it's still a work in progress.

Iruna · 01/20/11, 7:23 AM

How do we can use it then ?
I tryed the addon "Shadowcraft Tools" from Curse gaming, but we I copy the text from "/shadowcraft export" into the "import" section of the web page, nothing appends ...

chaktal · 01/20/11, 7:55 AM

Yes, it's a self buff, so you are correct in the assumption that switching targets will have no effect on FS.

Valtiel · 01/20/11, 8:14 AM

Remember that BT is also buffed in 4.06 (by around 30%); I see no reason to move it lower in the priority list.

Torodo · 01/20/11, 8:35 AM

As Elemental I got a few avalanche procs from spells on live

Thank you for pointing that out. I did a more extensive test on Live and the PTR. Both proc Avalanche from enhancement spell attacks. I have corrected my original post.

Does EnhSim model Avalanche as proccing from spell damage?

bonkobon · 01/20/11, 8:36 AM

How much loss is to have 16.90% of hit rating below hit cap compared to having it being over the hit cap with 17.5% reducing haste for 50 rating points? - Is getting hit cap that much more important than anything elase, or we can ignore some of the loss close to 17%?

zydd · 01/20/11, 8:42 AM

Anyone compared Simulationcraft results (latest beta) with Mew? The difference I got for my feral cat is almost 2k dps (Mew is higher)...not sure why...

Teartalin · 01/20/11, 9:08 AM

An easy rotation for a 1,2,3,4. Goes Crusader Strike, Judgement, Templar's Verdict, Then Exorcism when lit up then rinse and repeat you can add avenging wrath etc to it that's just the basic version.

arch · 01/20/11, 9:37 AM

Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up

Anarkii · 01/20/11, 10:09 AM

I'm curious about how you evaluate [Item not found!]. I got it last night and FD shows it as over a 100dps increase over Essence of the Cyclone even though crit shows as being better than haste for me. Both of them have the same uptime (20%)

Jackaran · 01/20/11, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Melthu

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[top] Professions

Leatherworking offers more stamina than any other profession. Jewelcrafting is the next highest, although it's only 3 stamina better than many other professions. Leatherworking, Jewelcrafting, and Blacksmithing all provide very flexible bonuses.

Alchemy: 120 stamina from [Flask of Steelskin] or 80 agility from [Flask of the Winds]. You also gain access to [Lifebound Alchemist Stone], which is potentially useful for a new tank.
Blacksmithing: 2 extra sockets for up to 120 extra stamina from [Solid Ocean Sapphire] or 80 agility from [Delicate Inferno Ruby]. One of the better professions as its bonuses are very flexible.
Enchanting: 120 stamina or 80 agility from ring enchants.
Engineering: Quickflip Deflection Plates - Spell - World of Warcraft boost armor by 1500 for 12 seconds on a 1 minute cooldown
Herbalism: Minor heal and 480 haste for 20 seconds on a 2 minute cooldown.
Inscription: 120 stamina from shoulder enchant.
Jewelcrafting: Up to 123 stamina or 81 agility from Chimera's Eye gems. Another flexible profession.
Leatherworking: 155 stamina. Gives more stamina than other professions and can also be useful for the level 80 resistance enchants.
Mining: 120 stamina.
Skinning: 80 crit.
Tailoring: Swordguard Embroidery - Spell - World of Warcraft chance to proc 1000 AP for 15 seconds.

Astrylian has also done a great job on ability values in the Rawr thread: [Feral-Bear] Theorycraft (Rawr.Bear)

Great job Melthu,

With that I have an opinion.
You say Leatherworking is the best profession, but I would challenge that.

Stamina gained from Professions:
LW = 155 (195-40)
JC = 123(303 -180{60*3 Stamina})
BS = 120 (60*2 Stamina)
Inc = 120 (shoulder enchant)
(Other professions share the 120 factor, I used scribe as a draw from a hat)

Alone, Leatherworking beats all other professions however, if you combine Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting you get more stamina than any other combination of Professions.

Blacksmithing gives you 120 stamina OR 202 Stamina when combine with Jewelcrafting. No other profession combination gives this bonus, moreover; a 3rd gem that increases it to 303 Stamina, which you increase 41 stam to a prior +60 stamina gem.

Math I did below to explain the numbers.

LW + BS = 120 + 195 = 315
Explaination:
120 from the two socket bonuses, assuming you place 60*2 Stamina.
195 from the bracer enchant.

JC + BS = 202 + 120 + 41 = 363
Explaination:
202 is from Blacksmithing sockets gemmed with Chimera gems.(101 Stam)
120 are the two gems that WOULD'VE been 101 but, because you have 2 extra sockets, these remain unchanged and stay 60.
41 You change a socket that has a 60 stamina by putting in a 101 and gain +41 stamina.

This totals to 363, that no other profession combination can compete with in Stamina gain.

Essentially I'm factoring that there are 3 gems in Jewelcrafting that would've been changed without Blacksmithing. Because of Blacksmithing only 1 gem is being changed.

Opinions?

I've been debating this to myself for a while and finally want some feedback on it.

Sources:
WoWhead Leatherworking Enchant
WoWhead Jewelcrafting Stamina Gem

Yawning · 01/20/11, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by zydd

Anyone compared Simulationcraft results (latest beta) with Mew? The difference I got for my feral cat is almost 2k dps (Mew is higher)...not sure why...

I would be interested in seeing the profiles used and the output. The last time I looked, the difference between the tools wasn't that big especially when comparing Mew's Simulation model. In a perfect world output for a basic tank and spank encounter should be near identical with same configurations.

david0925 · 01/20/11, 10:42 AM

You have 2 sockets in the LW+BS scenario yet 5 sockets in the JC+ BS scenario. You can only account for the difference in 3 sockets if you're going to do that.

Jackaran · 01/20/11, 10:56 AM

My reasoning behind that is, 303 Stam or 180.

With Blacksmithing, 2 additional sockets are added to your armor not included before, so 202 stamina is knocked off, leaving 101 which is a 41 point increase from 60 stamina.

Without JC, with BS alone, you would have +300 stamina for 3 regular sockets and +2 Sockets from BS

If you have JC as a BS, you would gain 2 sockets to place your 101 gems into leaving the 2 OTHER sockets that inside the gear already alone.

(Example)

Chest has 2 sockets - If you didn't have BS, you would place 2 101 stam into it instead of +60.

Now you have BS, Those 2x 60 gems are left alone and you place 101x2 gems into Bracer and gloves. Understand? Does this make sense?

It took me a lot of time to think of how to explain this and probably requires a lot of thought before an intelligent response could happen.

Reading the above posts, I realize that Alchemy has a close tie with BS and JC but, I think as gear progressively gets better as well, since Heroic Putricide gear is considered, the Alch Trinket probably isn't as reliable as JC / BS combo.