Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1557

catalyst540x · 01/21/11, 12:00 PM

i put 5 into destro then 34 into demo then 2 into affliction my reason for this is becuase it may not be the 'best' raiding spec but its also for PVE heroics it has the best talents for heroics rather the 0/31/10 spec because i took Imp Life tap in allfiction and i took Aura of The Forbiding and Imp health funnel idk why i took that but i did but i pull about 13k dps in the spec(single) then about 30k (aoe) in it also heres the link if u want to check out my spec

Talents & Glyphs - Game - World of Warcraft

MassMan · 01/21/11, 1:01 PM

I'm currently using Landslide on MH and Hurricane on OH, yet I am still seeing multiple simultaneous Hurricane procs. Probably because Hurricane procs on both melee and spells. Has this behaviour been taken into account when modelling dps?

Tirraxus · 01/21/11, 1:28 PM

Outside of the helm and shoulders, which have more optimal stats, our T11 has alot of haste. As MM post patch, should we just forget getting our 4pc bonus in favor of more optimal gear?

Normusan · 01/21/11, 1:30 PM

I didn't log out in my heal set so cannot check, however I know my Spirit is >2200, Intel is >3500 and Base Regen for lv 85 is 0.003345 according to the site here. Understanding this it stands to reason that:

If (SPI, INT, LEVEL) = (0.001+SPI*sqrt{INT}*0.003345)*5

(0.001+2200*59.160*0.003345)*5=2176.8 is the regen from Spirit.

Now, on the Holy Priest forum here is this formula: Spirit Regen = Sqrt(Intellect) * Spirit *.016725, so:

If 59.160*2200*0.016725=2176.8 is the regen from Spirit.

Same result. My mana regen right now is ~2900 in combat and ~3200 out of combat regen last time I looked. Where does the extra regen come from?

You'll pardon my ignorance, I just started getting into the maths, all help is appreciated.

calli · 01/21/11, 2:46 PM

Collusus smash + Execute spam I belive

Netukka · 01/21/11, 4:02 PM

When we did H-Chimaeron, we tanked the boss facing it away from the raid all the time so parrys were not an issue until last phase when the boss might turn around for a while. And you can actually block 2/3 of the poison bolt volleys during "feud", as long as you have glyphed AMS and time it correctly.

Still, compared to UH, I was losing big time. Its just odd that while UH can pull ~20k dps without requiring any special RNG luck (especially thanks to free massive amounts of RP during feud), frost falls significantly behind on single target fights. If only I wouldnt have to bring Brittle Bones.

cjo20 · 01/21/11, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

Here we go:
Shadowcraft Tools - Caffeine Mod : Rogue : WoWInterface AddOns

As I've stated, the only test subject so far has been me. Let me know if something breaks. And if you have some gear/gems/enchants that isn't supported by Caffeine's UI, bad luck. I can't do anything about it.

@Iruna
The link to the web UI is even in the first post.

The Addon was marked as "out-of-date" when I downloaded it - I needed to either enable "Load out of date addons" or change the version in the .toc file to 40000 to get it to work.

Oomkin1 · 01/21/11, 5:41 PM

I've got a question about the Theralion's Mirror, I've seen some posts saying it's junk or it's not junk.. is it even worth getting?

Heallix · 01/21/11, 7:31 PM

I'd like to suggest an addiotinal section included to this great post:

Something that I have been missing is an section about warlock Empowered dots and spellpower procs. For example i've been noticing an DPS gain when you recast dots (even bane of doom) when you proc a INT/SP trinket. This is probally not true for the first part of the fights because any sensible dps would have prepotted 2 k spellpower for 20 seconds. However after those initial empowered dots run out, it seems worth it.

Now I'm having an hard time calculating DPS gain from recasting dots versus just casting an empowered incinerate or such perhaps that that can be clarified in here?

Greetz to you all and have a nice day.

Azshira · 01/21/11, 7:40 PM

Anyone doing the math on the new alchemy trinket and comparison to others?

As I understand: Shard of Woe (hc only) - Fall of Mortality (hc) - Jar of Ancient Remedies (hc) - Fall of Mortality (normal); are our top 4 trinkets currently available, with the rest being got outside of raids, except the normal version of Jar which comes in around the same lines as Core of Ripeness and Tyrandes Favourite Doll.

Anyone able to do the math on the trinket: Vibrant Alchemist Stone - Item - World of Warcraft
And able to slot it in, in terms of BiS position?

Heallix · 01/21/11, 7:52 PM

I'd like to suggest 2 sections to this great guide and topic:

Rolling corruption/Immolate: Is corruption still everlasting in a sense that it keeps the spellpower gain of the cast, or have things changed and is spellpower calculated per tick like haste now, things like that. I myself am uncertain of these specific things.

Empowered Dots: Trinket procs, Pre-pots, recasting dots before they run out when you proc int/sp buffs. Maths on this if it is worth recasting versus the normal rotations. I myself seem to have an DPS gain when i recast dots on int/sp trinket procs. I'm also curious about bane of doom, if it is always worth recasting at trinket procs.

If these things have been adressed already, then forgive me for missing it while reading most of this topic. I hope we can get some discussion going about these 2 topics.

Heallix · 01/21/11, 8:01 PM

I'd like to suggest 2 sections to this great guide and topic:

Rolling Immolate: Rolling immolate, tott + demon form + sp pot and keeping immolate up the interi fight if you are able too do this, this seems rather increadeble, some facts about this and tactics for maximizing this if this works the same way everrolling corruption does might be a good idea!

Empowered Dots: Trinket procs, Pre-pots, recasting dots before they run out when you proc int/sp buffs. Maths on this if it is worth recasting versus the normal rotations. I myself seem to have an DPS gain when i recast dots on int/sp trinket procs. I'm also curious about bane of doom, if it is always worth recasting at trinket procs. And is haste still calculated per tick?

If these things have been adressed already, then forgive me for missing it while reading most of this topic. I hope we can get some discussion going about these 2 topics.

Raconzor · 01/21/11, 9:06 PM

As far as I can tell, I am not getting CP from my raids' crit heals ... so this is not working for me. Does it require being in the same group? Does my UI not work correctly with HAT? Both possibilities, but I'm not getting the CP currently.

stevindir · 01/21/11, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by geofferson

The bold is terrible advise. Expertise is almost as bad a crit and white hit. If you are reforging / gemming for expertise as Assassination then you are doing it wrong.

Gem for Agility
Reforge expertise and crit to Hit until spell cap (17%)
Reforge the rest of your expertise, haste and crit to mastery

So you're saying a raiding rogue should not be aiming for their expertise cap?

Treegifted · 01/21/11, 11:32 PM

My guild is currently 12/12 and have tried a few heroics but havent gotten very far on them. Our raid's are only 10 man however which from what i've read are harder since there is less margin for error and less availability to stack classes. My question to you about this particular kill however is how did you deal with the tank damage/double strike during the feuds. We would occasionly get thru the first feud however we had to use almost all our CDs to keep him up thru a double strike and thus wouldnt have any for the next. Our raid comp is as follows:

Feral Tank
Prot Warrior
Holy/Disc Priest
Holy Pally
Resto Druid
Destro Lock
Shadow Priest
Ele Shaman
Unholy DK
Fire Mage

Any suggestions or a brief explanation about ur strategy for 25 man would be much appreciated.
Thanks