Since some of the later Paladin gear features Blue Item sockets, wouldn't it be wise to place the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] in the Meta rather than the [Relentless Earthsiege Diamond]? I mean, you could always socket purples in those sockets - in reality you'd only need one socket to be blue, and several later on down the road are blue.

Opinions?

can someone pls explain the 2 points spent in master summoner?? EVERY vaguely demo build on EJ has it, so there must be something to it. fel domination is good cos it makes summoning your demon easy every 15 mins, and i have never had to do it more times than that. is it just cos im at lvl 54 and my pet is not in serious danger yet?? my pet has died during dungeons, but never at such a frequency that fel domination couldnt more than take care of it.
for example, in this 0/41/30 build:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31050000000000

which is widely accepted as one of the top damage dealers since 3.1 (esp before ulduar gear is obtained). yet here are 2 points spent clearly in master summoner, and 2 points LEFT OUT of demonic tactics (only 3/5) which increases crits for pet and lock. so it must be an important talent, but im not sure why it would be. is it because at higher levels your felguard dies left right and centre and to even have a chance you have to be resurrecting him every 5 mins?? it must be, cos if you had to revive him every 15mins or less., fel domination would be enough, and you wouldnt need those 2 talent points in a non-dps talent option. if its true that when you reach higher lvls that your felgaurd has trouble staying alive for more than 15 mins, then i dont think i want to roll this spec. thanks in advance, im just wondering, im sure theres a good reason, i just havent found one yet.

3.1 Retribution Paladin Thread

Read it please..

I would like a 'rotation' rather than FCFS which is something that isn't really distinguished enough from facerolling your keyboard.

The old seal and judgement system rewarded better play however watching a swing timer isn't sensible it seems which is why slam for warriors was changed..

Currently, Judgement is so low on our prio list, you're likely to not cast it every 7 seconds even if you are able to. It's more realistic to cast it every 9-10 seconds. All in all, that makes the 4 piece T7 bonus rather worthless, so I would certainly not think twice about breaking it.

Sweet U guys are awesome.Free round of mana strudels all around.

So I am a 6month player of wow..have been fury up until 3.1 patch. Now I am trying arms and am having great success on some fights, others I find fury better. I guess what are the main caps or most important stats for arms? Also what should I be capped at for those stats? I am currently 4/5 valorous and using Death's Bite for arms and Death's Bite/Armageddeon for fury. My hit is at 231..about 7%, my exp is at 31..not sure the percentage there, and crit is 38% unbuffed. I can pull around 3K in heroics, but have trouble raiding with arms, except for single target bosses that dont move..lol..any pointers on the basics of arms wouldbe great, short and sweet..I have read all the posts in here for like the last 5 pages.. I guess Im still in transtition, fury was so easy, arms requires some thinking..

thanks for the quick response guys, i see now that its impossible to put those two points into demon tactics, my bad. and the other talents early on dont really lend much to dps, your right. i suppose health funnel would delay the death of your pet, but at the expense of life, which i really rely on to life tap and gimme decent mana recovery. thanks guys.
on a related note, i have never ventured down the destro tree, but is shadowburn really worth a talent point?? it doesnt appear in any lvl 80 rotations i have seen, so is it a spell you use for a while and then dump for soulfire, incinerate etc?? i know the only other alternative is maybe molten skin, which is not very useful at all, but better than a spell nooone uses after soulfire becomes available, right?? (im 54, so if respec as that 0/41/30 build i mentioned before, i dont wanna spend a talent point on a spell im not gonna use because it is now obselete at my level). thanks guys.

As 51/0/20, should i use the stat weights from the unholy thread on the first page? I am confused since i am not able to find any framework for any blood spec in any of the threads.

Would be a great help to get them on the first page at this thread aswell, imho.

Hey folks, this is my first post... I like reading what you guys have to say, but didn't see this on here so I figured I'd ask.

My guild is starting Ulduar 25, I am dual spec'd Affliction and Deep Destro becaue I felt Felgaurd spec was too easy and didn't show skill... I played mostly Destro the other day and the guild's Aff lock was out dpsing me significantly... I started paying attention to what I was doing more... and noticed that every boss in the first wing was immune to conflag... which i've read on this page yields a ton of damage and should be used often with this spec.

We didn't raid this week, so I'm not sure if this was hot fixed... but is anyone else having issues with Destro in Ulduar? That's a huge dps loss, and it doesn't make sense. Yes they are fire based bosses, but if Incin hits why would Conflag not hit?

Needless to say I'm going back to Demo/Aff... instead of Destro as my second spec.

They immune you see is probabily the daze effect of conflagrate, but you are still doing its dmg.

Clearly you should check here rather than do something as painstakingly difficult as look at your own combat log, or check any number of parsed logs on WWS/WMO/WoL, etc., or parse your own night of raiding. Conflagrate hits, the daze caused by Aftermath cannot hit on bosses that are immune to daze, ergo you see the immune message.

embrauer i'm pretty sure your right because i remember a blue post stating that they nerfed the glyph and 2 piece bonus to try and lower conflag dmg but that wasn't enough and nerfed conflag directly.

Sorry for question, but what piecies of t8 set will be better to use?

I knew it had to do something with Blood Fury being selected somewhere, I just couldn't find where.

Thank you!

Hmm and what major glyphs i should use in Multi Spec and what in Combat Spec?

AND........ Glyph of Conflagrate redesigned: When you use Conflagrate, the damage done by your next 3 Destruction spells is increased by 10% for 15 seconds if the Immolate on the target has 5 or fewer seconds remaining..... so we will probably see alot less destro locks now.

We just saw a round of destro nerfs...so I am wondering where this came from.

Can anyone see a way to capitalize on the new changes? Nothing comes to mind except for timing Conflag. Which...doesn't capitalize since most people do that now to capitalize on the last round of changes...

So with conflag updated do we actually gain back 10% damage (Live 70% of immolate's ticks) (Patch 12/15 secs 80% immolate ticks). So roughly we lose 15% damage on immolate, 5% loss on conflag (80%-15% immolate loss from F&B) to gain 30 % damage on incinerate. Furthermore the way it reads, it will only give you that 30% damage increase on incinerate if YOUR immolate is up so we can't even conflag 3X incin if another lock has immolate up we MUST put our own back up. YAY clipping immolate below the global is FUNNNN.

And then the glyph of conflag nerf... well yeah enough said i dont see how they think this will buff our damage as destro, but I haven't seen the sims yet, one can only assume it will go down though.

Destro: Make sure you cast Chaos Bolt with the 10% damage buff up
Demo: Conflag / Molten Core / Decimate builds look like they could provide more dps, but it just makes the rotation harder.

Thats all i got.

That 145-169 is affected by spellpower (not sure on the coeff though) try it out on the target dummy, with immolate on the target - I get something like 700 extra damage on incinerate with immolate up. Still, these changes seem to make destro more complicated while not providing much (if any) dps increase.

I think that haste + hit rating is better than some critical since you can get crit rating from different sources (buffs)
Thats just my personal opinion.
You can also consider that you can use [deadly throw] (if you need to) if you have Rising Sun