Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1587

smeags · 02/02/11, 1:38 PM

I did not see a response to these questions (apologize if its on another page or I missed it).

1. Another poster asked if it Would make sense to do a "mini burn" phase that brings our mana down to a point where it can be regened during a flame orb+AM spam regen phase, for the time between full burn phases? (I havent had a chance to even test to see what mana level that would be, this question just popped into my head while I'm at work)

2. Additionally has anyone done analysis on whether using mage ward/mana shield to proc Incanter's Absorbtion is worth it? My question isn't about the theoretical uptime of of IA, but rather if the GCD and mana loss is worth the SP gain. This falls into 2 scenarios:

a) IA buff right before a burn phase.
b) IA buff during conserve phase.

Wolffie · 02/02/11, 1:59 PM

In regards to the new Disease application I think perhaps we have all forgotten about Festering strike which uses 1 B 1 F and 1 GCD. This would in fact save us 1 GCD as we are able to refresh all Diseases in one swoop while using the same Runes. Is anyone on PTR able to see if it will in fact work like this?

Stompface · 02/02/11, 2:47 PM

"DW Unholy > DW Frost = 2H Unholy > 2H Frost"

So DW Unholy > 2h Unholy?

I like DW Unholy and notice a 2k DPS difference than 2h but this is usually with AOE mobs. During boss fights or single pulls DPS is a lot less. Also, what is the haste cap?

Thanks for all the valuable information. This has definitely improved my game play.

krakova · 02/02/11, 4:06 PM

oh wow, I'm silly..my meta deactivated

Artemise · 02/02/11, 4:08 PM

Alright, that's pretty useful to know, I'll have to moniter which bosses have a 'rollover' for rupture. The next thing I was wondering was what's the haste cap? Or is it always going to be good to get more haste when Exp and hit are capped? (yellow hit)

CaseyTheRetard · 02/02/11, 4:14 PM

You lost the yellow gem from your Peacemaker's, so your Ember Meta isn't working anymore.

Veanorn · 02/02/11, 5:11 PM

I am not a very good sim guru, but has anyone run the 2h frost with the 4.0.6 build for increased melee dmg? Correct me if I am wrong, but that includes all attacks that we hit with a weapon? So +12% across the board would make a nice boost to 2h dps. With the nerf bat hitting unholy hard, will 2h frost be on par with dw frost and or 2h Unholy?

Also, does anyone see in the patch notes any rune skip bug fix notes yet? That would be a nice hotfix to have.

I still love and always have played DW Frost, but just wondering on the viability on 2h frost.

Thanks!!

Bugath · 02/02/11, 5:49 PM

Might have been answered before, but is a agi 359 wep better than a 346 str wep for dw frost.

Thanks in advance.

PS:English is not my strong side.

Lesy · 02/02/11, 5:53 PM

So currently we know that bellow count for new spirit tide:

trinket stacks
4set bonus
flask + alchemy bonus

What about spirit procs with less uptime such as [Enchant Weapon - Heartsong] or [Fall of Mortality]? If any of these count, we'll have to pay significantly more attention to our buffs.

Vlos · 02/02/11, 6:08 PM

I didn't want to put something like this in the Shadowcraft thread as it doesn't really contribute anything to the discussion.

In my current setup (including the raid buffs I can normally expect to see in my 10 man group), I can't find anything that's an upgrade over (H)Tia's Grace before heroic content. Normal Prestor's comes in at around a 20 DPS loss. I can see the reasoning behind why I'm getting results like that in my gear, but I was wondering if other rogues could reasonably expect the same?

Here's my gear exported from the shadowcraft web UI.

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Wolffie · 02/02/11, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by Mi.SC

First of all, the way I interpret the change to Scarlet Fever is that it will only be applied when BP is (re-)applied, meaning that simply increasing the duration of BP by using FeS will not re-apply SF, nor will it increase its duration (unless FeS will be changed that it also increases the SF duration, but i doubt that this will happen)

Yes I am not sure how the mechanics would work as I am not in PTR.

Originally Posted by Mi.SC

Result of using FeS (depending on how much points you've put into epidemic, but lets assume 3) is that you would spend a total of 5 Blood and 5 Frost Runes in 30 seconds. If you would re-apply everything the normal way (IT and PS), you would spend 1 Frost and 1 Unholy Rune in that same timespan instead.

Not a good tradeoff, I say.

The way I understand it your maths is off, 6 sec's I would think would add to the 12 sec's (assume 3 points) is 18 sec's(I would double check this but I am not at home sorry if its wrong) so that it only 2 FeS which is 2B 2F not 5 each, however, that would leave you with 2 U runes that cant DS so still undesirable.

I simply find it odd that Bliz is making Brunes less useful given we are in Bspec.

smexymage · 02/02/11, 6:29 PM

Hi All,

I am new here so forgive me please if I have missed something.

Based on the information I have read on thsi forum, the soft cap is 516 or something like that? We need something silly like 3450 haste to get an addiitonal tick on our items.

So I was looking at the BiS list and all of the reforging was to put Mastery to hit instead of Haste, this however brought haste to around 1500 which doesnt seem to be optimal. Could someone please explain to me why so much haste was saved if we only need to aim for 516? I dont quite get that.

Many Thanks

tscad · 02/02/11, 7:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sun_Tzu

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Ideological concerns don't matter here. This is about what works, and what doesn't, and under what circumstances.

I fail to see what works with this spec. I have tried it and compared it to what I would consider to be a standard 25 man spec and mana regen is the same in either spec. For example, I can cast with 100% mana one HR and wait the 10 second CD and I'll be back at 100% mana. Or I can run the aforementioned spec and LB for the 10 second CD and achieve the same 100% mana. Essentially mana regen is the same in my real life experiments. The later spec however requires the LB's to get off, not accounting for movement and such.

I fail to see the benefit of this spec on every real life example. I love EJ forums but one thing that I hate about them is that too many math nerds don't take into consideration RL play and too many people focus on what guilds like Paragon are doing. Just because they do something, doesn't make it the best. If it works for you, so be it and happy healing.

Rencol · 02/02/11, 8:08 PM

Did anyone try to calculate new stat value for retri in next patch? I (and not only me for sure) am very curious about our new mastery, but wasnt able to find and trustworty tabs.

Zeknight · 02/02/11, 8:16 PM

Originally Posted by tscad

I fail to see what works with this spec. I have tried it and compared it to what I would consider to be a standard 25 man spec and mana regen is the same in either spec. For example, I can cast with 100% mana one HR and wait the 10 second CD and I'll be back at 100% mana. Or I can run the aforementioned spec and LB for the 10 second CD and achieve the same 100% mana. Essentially mana regen is the same in my real life experiments. The later spec however requires the LB's to get off, not accounting for movement and such.

I fail to see the benefit of this spec on every real life example. I love EJ forums but one thing that I hate about them is that too many math nerds don't take into consideration RL play and too many people focus on what guilds like Paragon are doing. Just because they do something, doesn't make it the best. If it works for you, so be it and happy healing.

Sadly the EJ forums are used for talking about the man/maxing of a class and or spec, the forums talk about 'making it the best' and not about doing what works for you.

If you personally cannot obtain a proper rotation, it does not mean that the LB/CH/HR is not worth it, it means that you as a player cannot play the spec/class to it's maximum potential and still enjoy it.

It has been said that Paragon are the most well informed players in the game, this means that they WILL only use what is needed to progress in the 'raid race'. IE LB/CH/HR shaman with the sole purpose of giving mana tide to the priests and pallies and buffering the raid with ELW.