Originally Posted by Snipeheals
I dont know why 13 pages of maximizing disc discussion theres never been the discussion of replacing spirit for every other stat.
In 80% epic gear with Evangelism, Tide, Rapture, Blood elf racial,. Reforging ALL spirit to haste>crit>mastery going all out Throughput Ive still been swimming neck deep in mana to the point I dont have to hymm or fiend on any encounter unless the raid calls for it.
Even being aggressive with poh, mana is still so abundent because Tide, Evangelism that Ive been considering grabbing mage/warlock gear with 0 spirit just for throughput because I feel sitting at 50-60+ percent mana for a majority of fights is a waste.
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Well I have been a bit busy and have not posted here in like a month, but anyhow; I started reforging out of Spi a couple weeks back and have not had an issue yet. 4pc helps though but is not needed depending on your gear/healing style. I'm currently getting an average uptime of 50% on my 4pc bonus. It is quite possible to have a much higher uptime, but I haven't needed to concern myself with that much. Primarily I try to proc it right before or during a Tide along with my Spi trinket. Also monitoring your rapture CD is very beneficial as I'm sure you are aware. I'm using
Ingela's Rapture to track my rapture CD and make sure I get the most out of it.
Lining up rapture/fiend with Power torrent also helps. I have a couple Power Auras that prompt me to use Fiend if Power Torrent procs and I am sub 70% mana and fiend is not on CD. With another to prompt a Fiend/Hymn combo if I am sub 15% mana and PT is up and SF is off CD. Now I don't strictly adhere to these prompts when utilizing my mana CDs. They are just to inform me of optimal usage as available. I would assume if you were forging away from Spi that you would be using PT over HS anyway for your weap chant.
Thus far I have yet to encounter any serious mana issues in any heroic 25 man content so far. I just about never use Inner Will either.
Here is a log of our last
25H Maloriak. 10m21s encounter lenght. As you can clearly see I was not carried in any regard nor did I have any healing luls that would indicate going OOM. Just the one at 23:02:28 when I was Flash Frozen and then 23:03:38 while I Cast Mind Sear on Aberattions during Green phase. I used PW:S pretty consistently as well as PoH with lots of smites between. Mainly on dark phase adds as it is extremely helpful in getting them down while keeping the lowest melee and demo locks from dying to sludge. With good rapture management I ended up gaining 216k+ from that alone which was more than all other sources combined. (213k+ from 2x Fiends, Hymn, 4x Archangel, Conc Pot w/ Alch trink and replinishment.) Of course if you subtract the cost of the shields from that its only a net gain of 135,494 from rapture. Still far above any other single source of mana gain.
IMHO if you can sustain it with your playstyle and your guild's healing needs then it is surely viable. I do not run 10 man much, but just from the BH 10 I did today I would guess it is not as good for 10 as for 25. But that depends upon your comp. I just ran a pug and was just about solo healing it so yeah.