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Old 02/04/11, 4:06 PM   #23896
Azazel12
 
Human Warlock
 
Llane
Hey guys. I am pretty noobish and my DPS in Heroics is consistently subpar. I am Affliction and just reforged today to add as much Hit as possible. (may not yet show in armory) I am expecting a DPS increase since i went from +2.86% to around +9% Hit. I plan to reach the 17% cap ASAP. That said, I still find it hard to keep my DPS up. I have been a point and clicker but really want an efficient and easy way to transition to macros and key-bindings. (Hence why I'm here)

I have been doing my best to follow the spell rotation suggestion for Affliction warlocks:

CoE
ISF
Haunt
BoA
Corruption
UA

SB and refresh haunt and UA till target is under 25% and switch to Drain Soul.

(I have Improved Lash of Pain and keep my Succy on auto)

Okay. That said, I have a few specific questions:

Is it mandatory to refresh the SF buff even without an instant cast from Soul Burn? Does the haste buff really outweigh the time it takes to cast a Soul Fire? (Do I even need to worry about this since they are supposedly making that buff out of reach in next patch)

Does anyone have any macros they use to simplify the above rotation? (Please, I have very limited experience with macros so a copy/paste macro will be greatly appreciated)

Is there anything I am missing other than popping the buff (forget the name) that varies depending on the pet and my 10 min CD Minions?

What do you guys use on trash mobs that will die too quickly for your DOTS to do any real DPS? Shadow-bolts?

Is my DPS looking worse then it really is because up till now I really allow others to kill the trash since my DOTS are not effective?

Thanks in advance!

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Old 02/04/11, 4:28 PM   #23897
mrnickles55
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Dunemaul
DW versus 2H

With 352 IL should I be Dual Weilding, or sticking to the 2H, i would have normal [Lava Spine] and a normal [Soul Blade], or Heroic [Arced War Axe]. Which should I choose, along with that, should i be using the same basic rotation im using for 2H for DW.

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Old 02/04/11, 4:52 PM   #23898
Skorp
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Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock
Assuming you are fire, the haste number that rawr wants is the raw haste you get from items(516 for first soft-cap) so put in something like haste>=516 and then haste<=520 and you'll get something right near the 12.5% haste mark that you want. Do know that various theorycrafting has suggested that crit is not as good as we thought due to ignite munching and it is probably beneficial to at least to get to 15%(812) for the extra combustion tick.

I guess this explains why Rawr is consistently showing that through optimization, it's better for me to have more haste than crit as a fire mage? Self-buffed these are my stats:

Crit: %25.45
Haste: %7.56 (968)
Mastery: %10.99


I thought it a bit strange at first, it's optimizing to have 3% more haste with a little more mastery vs having a little more than 2% crit. I guess it makes sense since the value of crit and haste is nearly identical.

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Old 02/04/11, 4:57 PM   #23899
corpsevomit
Glass Joe
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Archimonde
With the buff to arcane shot and the nerf to explosive shot, will explosive shot be worth it to use? Seems like arcane shot will be better dps/focus. Thanks!

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Old 02/04/11, 4:58 PM   #23900
Chaley
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Undead Warlock
 
Illidan
@Azazel12

Improved SF is huge. The reason it is huge is because it more than likely is going to provide you with additional DoT ticks for each DoT cast. It effectively raises your dps quite well. Hard casting it is something you have to do if you want higher dps.

For trash in heroics I just put up UA and Corruption because if it ticks twice chances are that that damage is equal to a Shadow Bolt. Make frequent use of Soul Swap and glyph for it. This allows you to put BoA on a couple mobs where it will do some nice damage overall.

Demon Soul is important. I have it macro'd to either SB or Drain Soul depending on the part of the fight I need to be using it for. I have my Succubus up >25% on a boss and instant summon a Felhunter for <25% when I have demon soul off cooldown.

Macros I use are typically like:

#showtooltip
/cast Demon Soul
/cast Shadow Bolt

It's simple, and it makes me use Demon Soul because otherwise I'd probably forget it half the time. Another one I use from time to time is:

#showtooltip Soul Fire
/cast Soulburn
/cast Soul Fire

That makes it so I push one button and have my instant cast SF. It's not hard to make cast macros, so just mix and match what you want to cast.

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Old 02/04/11, 5:09 PM   #23901
Azazel12
 
Human Warlock
 
Llane
Thanks Chaley. Do you recommend a good add-on to keep track of your DOT's? I use Quartz right now but I'm wondering if there is something better.

P.S. Do you use an addon to keep track of the SF buff? If so which one? I would assume this can be done with Power Aura, am i correct?

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Old 02/04/11, 5:22 PM   #23902
mckeown
 
Human Paladin
 
Farstriders
For Prot Paladins in Cata, how many points of dodge = 1% dodge? The compendium states that there is 304.5 Agi per 1% dodge, and that dodge remained unchanged. The compendium does not state the x dodge = 1% dodge.

Last edited by mckeown : 02/04/11 at 5:31 PM. Reason: Further Explanation

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Old 02/04/11, 5:32 PM   #23903
Diello
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Human Death Knight
 
Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by mrnickles55 View Post
With 352 IL should I be Dual Weilding, or sticking to the 2H, i would have normal [Lava Spine] and a normal [Soul Blade], or Heroic [Arced War Axe]. Which should I choose, along with that, should i be using the same basic rotation im using for 2H for DW.
We should have a patch soon (probably next week) and the incoming Sudden Doom change will kill dual wielding for unholy. You'll probably do more damage right now as dual wield because of the higher ilvl 1H weapons you have, but it would be a very short term gain.

As for your question on the rotation, check out the first post in this thread.

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Old 02/04/11, 5:44 PM   #23904
Hydrogi
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Hellscream (EU)
Has anyone worked out or seen a post anywhere with some math behind how the new mastery stat will weigh compared to haste and crit come patch 4.0.6?

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Old 02/04/11, 6:26 PM   #23905
Frantick
 
Undead Warlock
 
Uther
*Nevermind I'm just stupid

Last edited by Frantick : 02/04/11 at 8:03 PM. Reason: Wasn't thinking

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Old 02/04/11, 6:37 PM   #23906
Koilie
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Worgen Priest
 
Alterac Mountains
Originally Posted by Snipeheals View Post
I dont know why 13 pages of maximizing disc discussion theres never been the discussion of replacing spirit for every other stat.

In 80% epic gear with Evangelism, Tide, Rapture, Blood elf racial,. Reforging ALL spirit to haste>crit>mastery going all out Throughput Ive still been swimming neck deep in mana to the point I dont have to hymm or fiend on any encounter unless the raid calls for it.

Even being aggressive with poh, mana is still so abundent because Tide, Evangelism that Ive been considering grabbing mage/warlock gear with 0 spirit just for throughput because I feel sitting at 50-60+ percent mana for a majority of fights is a waste.

Well I have been a bit busy and have not posted here in like a month, but anyhow; I started reforging out of Spi a couple weeks back and have not had an issue yet. 4pc helps though but is not needed depending on your gear/healing style. I'm currently getting an average uptime of 50% on my 4pc bonus. It is quite possible to have a much higher uptime, but I haven't needed to concern myself with that much. Primarily I try to proc it right before or during a Tide along with my Spi trinket. Also monitoring your rapture CD is very beneficial as I'm sure you are aware. I'm using Ingela's Rapture to track my rapture CD and make sure I get the most out of it.

Lining up rapture/fiend with Power torrent also helps. I have a couple Power Auras that prompt me to use Fiend if Power Torrent procs and I am sub 70% mana and fiend is not on CD. With another to prompt a Fiend/Hymn combo if I am sub 15% mana and PT is up and SF is off CD. Now I don't strictly adhere to these prompts when utilizing my mana CDs. They are just to inform me of optimal usage as available. I would assume if you were forging away from Spi that you would be using PT over HS anyway for your weap chant.

Thus far I have yet to encounter any serious mana issues in any heroic 25 man content so far. I just about never use Inner Will either.

Here is a log of our last 25H Maloriak. 10m21s encounter lenght. As you can clearly see I was not carried in any regard nor did I have any healing luls that would indicate going OOM. Just the one at 23:02:28 when I was Flash Frozen and then 23:03:38 while I Cast Mind Sear on Aberattions during Green phase. I used PW:S pretty consistently as well as PoH with lots of smites between. Mainly on dark phase adds as it is extremely helpful in getting them down while keeping the lowest melee and demo locks from dying to sludge. With good rapture management I ended up gaining 216k+ from that alone which was more than all other sources combined. (213k+ from 2x Fiends, Hymn, 4x Archangel, Conc Pot w/ Alch trink and replinishment.) Of course if you subtract the cost of the shields from that its only a net gain of 135,494 from rapture. Still far above any other single source of mana gain.

IMHO if you can sustain it with your playstyle and your guild's healing needs then it is surely viable. I do not run 10 man much, but just from the BH 10 I did today I would guess it is not as good for 10 as for 25. But that depends upon your comp. I just ran a pug and was just about solo healing it so yeah.

Last edited by Koilie : 02/04/11 at 6:52 PM.

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Old 02/04/11, 6:46 PM   #23907
Stln
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Warlock
 
Twilight's Hammer (EU)
Originally Posted by Frantick View Post
I might be reading too much into this but the enchant listed for legs is Powerful Enchanted Spellthread that is 95 int not 50 int and the suggested tailor pattern Lightweave Embroidery, that makes it the best profession for caster dps, is 580 spell power not int. Since spell power isn't the same as int would the Lightweave Embroidery still be better than the Powerful Enchanted Spellthread.
Last time I checked, tailoring enchant was for cloak, not pants.

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Old 02/04/11, 7:00 PM   #23908
Allorai
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Darkmoon Faire (EU)
Confused ><

Hey i read this thread the tips are great but when i tryed this in a raid i felt stupid since i didn't even top 5k dps :/ and at 85 that's real embarasing since level 81's top that xD

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Old 02/04/11, 7:03 PM   #23909
bludfrost
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Orc Death Knight
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Hydrogi View Post
Has anyone worked out or seen a post anywhere with some math behind how the new mastery stat will weigh compared to haste and crit come patch 4.0.6?
You should take a look at a few posts on previous pages as well as Consider's blog. Basically mastery will squeeze its way between where haste and expertise currently are. It becomes desirable straight after haste, meaning we will most likely be ignoring expertise and crit after reforging for haste and mastery, etc.

Addition: I've been looking into top DKs and looking at using [Pauldrons of the Great Ettin] versus [Magma Plated Pauldrons] for the 4pc bonus with [Terrastra's Legguards] in the leg slot. The consensus is sort of split. Is it worth it not to take the 2pc? Should I grab [Magma Plated Legplates] and use the Pauldrons as well to keep the 4pc, which I've also seen some DKs do...? Obviously reforging would be as optimal as possible. What do you guys say? With mastery changes upcoming I'm considering the latter until I get more heroic tier but I'm not sure if I want to give up the haste until then.

Last edited by bludfrost : 02/04/11 at 7:16 PM.

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Old 02/04/11, 7:11 PM   #23910
Talonalock
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Azazel12 View Post
Thanks Chaley. Do you recommend a good add-on to keep track of your DOT's? I use Quartz right now but I'm wondering if there is something better.

P.S. Do you use an addon to keep track of the SF buff? If so which one? I would assume this can be done with Power Aura, am i correct?
I use Forte - it does a bit more than dot tracking, but it does help significantly with that. And it can be set up to include ISF timers. But it's not as useful, imo, as Power Auras. It just gives you better timers, so I'd use both. It also tracks dots on multiple mobs, as well as tracking your own cc's (and, really, any other spell you cast).

But I've had trouble with PowerAuras; it seems (last time I looked) to be borked (maybe just not compatible with another addon on my computer, or with my computer in general).. newest one I saw was updated pre-Cata (4.03a), which is they one that doesn't work. I saw another addon recently called WeakAuras, but I haven't tried it yet. Anyone have any suggestions? Should I try PowerAuras again? Maybe some config files got corrupted or something.

@Chaley
Does the Felpup provide that significant of a damage boost <25%? I'd think the raid-buffed Succubus would beat the Unbuffed Felpup.

Doesn't seem to me like Soul Fire should be linked to Soulburn like that - there's too many times where you might want to save the shard for a more important time, yes/no? Take Conclave; I usually use my Souburn as I'm landing so I can insta-SF the boss (assuming it falls off during the flight); during other bosses you may want to save it for BL or movement phases.

Demon Soul, I have macro'd to Shadowbolt.

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