Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 161

Ritzar · 05/02/09, 1:37 PM

Would someone mind recapping for the current state of Frost DPS?

Pre-T7, which spec and associated rotation works the best?

With T7 pieces, does that spec and rotation change?

It's a tad overwhelming to dig through 35 pages of information.

WhiteMoose · 05/02/09, 2:12 PM

Is Dual Wield better then a equaly geared 2h? I'd very much like a honest answer to my question.

Thanks

Ashbash · 05/02/09, 3:38 PM

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Cubelar · 05/02/09, 5:03 PM

any ideas on when the 4piece will be implemented into rawr?

Magrias · 05/02/09, 6:15 PM

I have a level 78 Death knight. My plan is to tank when I hit 80 and do heroics and whatnot. Eventually I want to build up a dps gear-set from those heroics and raid as DPS.

I'm not super familiar with any of the tank specs for deathknights, but what I'd like is a solid tanking spec for a fresh 80 to tank heroics but also able to deal decent solo/questing damage as well.

Right now I'm frost but I feel I really butchered the spec. I missed a few good talents that could have helped my damage a lot. Can anyone link me a talent calculator with a good spec for this role?

Thanks.

Bourneemo · 05/02/09, 6:21 PM

Bro, out of all these fourms and post it answers you're questions. Questions like that will get you infractions and bans.

scenemaker · 05/02/09, 7:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sisepeda

Why would you spec into Flametongue/SoE when you don't drop either (DK and your totem of wrath!)

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That is best spec to raid with.

Saying, "That is best spec to raid with." is not only purely opinion but completely unsubstantiated. You provided absolutely no argument for your chosen spec. I am confused why you would take 5/5 convection and 3/3 unrelenting storm. It is my opinion that these are not terrible talents to max out, rather if you need them both maxed your play style is terrible. How many fights do you stand in one place and not move the entire fight? Make use of that time to Thunderstorm and get 2k mana back. Start doing this at about 90% mana and then again everytime CD is up and you are moving. If you start getting low on mana, stop using CL if it's a single target. It's DPS gains over LB is minimal anyway and with the right glyphs combined with 4pc T8, the gain is only gonna become weaker.

Here is what I raid with:
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2 things I take that are different are Instant Ghost wolf and Improved Fire Nova Totem. There are alot of fights you can mount up for now. (Malygos, Razorscale, Freya, Sartharion, etc) You never know when Instant ghost wolf will come in handy. This is purely optional, however and these 2 points could be spent anywhere else you like. Improved Fire Nova Totem, however, I believe every raiding Ele Shaman should have. When used properly on fights like Deconstructor, you can solo an entire side of adds on your own. Drop Earthbind to root them, drop Fire Nova Totem, Thunderstorm (they won't knock back because they are rooted), at this point the nova totem will burst which will stun them, drop magma totem and begin Chain Lightning the remaining down. Again, this is an optional talent and you could use the 2 points somewhere else.

A lot of Ele Shamans like to put a 2 or 3 points into Elemental Warding. That's fine too, not a terrible talent, however, I believe that if you feel the need to use this in a raid, maybe you should look at getting new healers instead. It's not gonna make that big of a difference in the damage you take anyway and should you die without it, you more than likely would have died with it too.

So, my entire point here is that you can never say that one spec is the best spec because there are always other options to consider. Also if you are gonna make a statement like that, you better explain why you believe it is.

EDIT: I also looked at your armory page and you appear to like using some mp5 gems in your gear. I realize these are there to fulfill the meta requirement, however there are other options you could have taken instead. It all leads me to believe that you find yourself having mana issues in fights and should re-evaluate your play style.

Pawz · 05/02/09, 8:00 PM

(Not sure if this should go in the UI/Macros forum or here)

Is there a simple macro for Elemental shamans for a priority casting sequence, so you keep everything on cooldown? I.e. cast LvB, if that's on CD cast CL, if that's on CD cast LB?

mickknit · 05/02/09, 8:30 PM

I'm new to the fireball spec. any tips on best sequence of casting?
macros? addons?

scenemaker · 05/02/09, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by Memento

I have a question about hit rating that you can please feel free to delete if it is incorrect or stupid. I currently have 341 hit rating, and when I mouse over it it tells me I have exactly 13.00% increased chance to hit. Do I not need an extra point, or is the paperdoll displaying a rounding error? Alliance Shaman, to save you looking it up.

I believe what he is actually asking is does he need that extra point to be at 342 rating instead of the 341 which Binkenstein's guide lists. I would guess the answer would be no as your character sheet clearly stats 13%. Would be interesting to see some data on this. I may see if I can get myself to that exact number too. If 341 puts me at 13%, I'll head to the dummies and spam some LB's for 1/2 an hour in an attempt to see a miss.

Hinalover · 05/02/09, 9:01 PM

Originally Posted by mickknit

I'm new to the fireball spec. any tips on best sequence of casting?
macros? addons?

Fireball and Frostfire bolt spec are exactly the same, just different main nuke. What I generally do is throw up a Living bomb during the pull. Once I'm in position cast 1-5 Scorches unless there is a Lock with Improved Shadow Bolt specced. Reason I say 1-5 is if you use the Glyph of Scorch, your only putting up 1 scorch to place all five stacks on the boss. If you don't have the glyph then depending on if there are other fire mages in the raid you will need to cast scorch until 5 stacks are on the boss. At which point the rotation becomes a priority issue. Make sure you keep Living Bomb on the boss as well as keep the scorch debuff on the boss. Also if you proc Hot Streak (what looks like you getting an achievement will appear on you) you have 10 seconds to cast an instant Pyroblast.

So what I do after the initial scorching, I tend to spam Fireball/Frostfire bolt. If a Living Bomb is about to expire in less then three seconds, I cast the main nuke and start spamming my Living Bomb button so that once the main nuke leaves, I instantly cast Living bomb. Same thing happens when i proc Hot Streak. While casting my main nuke after proccing, I spam my Pyroblast button. Most people say to cast scorch then Pyroblast but for me that actually lowers my dps. So for me, I try to clip as many of my instant spells with my casted spells as possible.

For your Glyphs, Your two main ones are going to be Molten Armor and Fireball/Frostfire Bolt. If you can get Living Bomb on your server, that should be your third glyph. If not, just get Glyph of Scorch.

Drenhar · 05/02/09, 10:56 PM

Real quick question. I just got my 4pc t7 (yay!). Does that allow me to not put any points in dirge in anyone's experience? Or do i keep dirge even with the set bonus and just swim in RP?

Drenhar · 05/02/09, 11:27 PM

Awesome. I thought so but wanted some firsthand advice. thank you much!

Supah · 05/03/09, 2:09 AM

Just curious and because I don't have time to read the coding, are you taking into account the gem slots and socket bonuses? If so, can you tell me what gems you're putting into the sockets as well? I feel that the change in these factors will change the dps outcome as well.

Yehlan · 05/03/09, 4:03 AM

Im about to be REALLY new to rogues been playing everything but since wow came out but figure i might as well try one out for once. Ive been searching around for PAWN stats for rogues but cant find any to help me choose my gear till i get to 80 and figure out how the spreadsheets work or until RAWR supports rogues better. If anyone has some relatively acurate Pawn stats id greatly appreciate it otherwise thanks anyways.

mdn · 05/03/09, 5:48 AM

Originally Posted by chalon

The reason Combat benefits more is because you can get Serrated Blades and because Prey on the Weak increases your Rupture crit damage.

It's not going to be enough to make up the ground on a single target murderable fight, though (or something like Iron Council, etc) in the general case. But there's a lot of other factors to consider on a fight and whether or not Mutilate or Combat has an advantage.

Does 7/51/13 outweigh 15/51/5 and 18/51/2 once you have 4pc T8? I haven't seen much on the subject so far, and would seem to affect choices in armor penetration gear, etc.

Davaeorn · 05/03/09, 6:29 AM

Originally Posted by Supah

Just curious and because I don't have time to read the coding, are you taking into account the gem slots and socket bonuses? If so, can you tell me what gems you're putting into the sockets as well? I feel that the change in these factors will change the dps outcome as well.

How about you read the first post?

Mikari · 05/03/09, 8:01 AM

I don't have access to the spreadsheet at the moment, but in regards to Survival specs does anyone know if it's worth dropping to 4/5 MT in order to max out Hunting party, I guess what I'm asking is, is 1% more agility worth more than an extra 2% crit chance on MT?

Hagen · 05/03/09, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mikari

I don't have access to the spreadsheet at the moment, but in regards to Survival specs does anyone know if it's worth dropping to 4/5 MT in order to max out Hunting party, I guess what I'm asking is, is 1% more agility worth more than an extra 2% crit chance on MT?

It's not.

PS: Start to read the thread or go for the simple questions thread... -.-

Nirajax · 05/03/09, 9:42 AM

Just rebuilt my UI a few days ago. My old one looked pretty much like this with a few minor changes to the chat :

(The empty box in the lower left corner was used to place deadly boss mod bars. The two boxes to the right of the actionbars was used to place omen and recount)

The new one looks like this for now :

Tried to keep it as simple and streamlined as possible.

List of addons (both UI's uses the same addons)
- Bartender for actionbars
- Kgpanels for the outlines around the actionbar/chat
- Ag_unitframes for unitframes
- Grid for raid frames (placed in the upper left side corner, visible in raids)
- Buffalo (placeholder buffbar until I find something that is more recently updated and show the buffs the same way buffalo do).
- Magic Runes for runes/rp
- NeedToKnow for all kinds of dots/debuff tracking, placed just above the rune icons.
- Squeenix for minimap
- ItemRack for gear swap
- Omen (only visible in raids, placed along the right side edge of the screen)
- Recount (only visible in raids, placed along the right side edge of the screen, just above Omen)

Kazkah(Dalaran) · 05/03/09, 1:23 PM

I have done a lot of research in my time as a DK, I've read everything on EJ, Wowhead, SkeletonJack and yet I still have trouble.

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I believe myself to have pretty sufficient equipment, although no the best, both my rings are Ulduar and everything else has an item ranking of 200 or more. My main questions are as follows.

1. When is Armor Penetration too much?

2. What should my AP be for Ulduar?

3. What should i be Gemming for?

I see a lot of people ask and answer these questions and yet they are all different. I only pull 3k dps as is, yet I've seen it spike up to 4k at times in OS or even 25 Naxx. I'd be happy with 4k-5k dps nonstop and I'd just like to know how to get there. I've had a lot of people tell me I waste my gems on Crit and hit rating. Please help.

Avalon.TLW · 05/03/09, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Avalon.TLW

Anyone could link a good Frost pvp spec? (Wowhead.com)

No one here got a good Frost PvP spec?

real · 05/03/09, 5:37 PM

Originally Posted by real

Just a question, anyone have the Shadow UI 3.x of Duke ?
Because he doens't answer of my mp's and mails.

Thanks

ps : I don't want to change it or to share it, just use it

Nobody ?

Northerner · 05/03/09, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by Avalon.TLW

No one here got a good Frost PvP spec?

No one here chose to answer you the first time is what you should be taking from that. The Mage PvP thread has ample discussion on such matters but honestly, the point distributions for either arcane or frost PvP are fairly obvious.

Although not exclusively dedicated to raiding, the Class Mechanics forums tend to deal more with PvE issues and raiding issues specifically. That's not to say you shouldn't ask simple questions in a thread like this of course but you should probably only ask once.

Pach · 05/03/09, 6:49 PM

Or just fixing a problem that has been apparent to everyone from the release of Wrath, namely that F&B is a horridly weak talent and CB is little better. CB is only 1 point though so is understandable. F&B is 5 points down the drain atm just to get to CB.