Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1611

poNji · 02/09/11, 3:40 AM

Hello,

I had a couple of questions regarding mana management. Often I tend to just use Mage Armor because I just run OOM so quickly with Molten Armor. Ofcourse now with patch 4.0.6 situations will be completely different, and I haven't been able to test it with the new stuff yet.

Would, now that Scorch is castable while moving with every armor, Mage Armor be a viable option to use throughout most fights, or would it not be worth it because Fireball and Living Bomb had their mana cost reduced so shouldn't have to worry much about mana anymore anyway?

MysticoNL · 02/09/11, 4:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kirava

Pawn scales:

GuildOx BiS lists:

- Burst PoH
- Sustained PoH
- Burst tank
- Sustained tank

P.S.: All thanks go to Carnathagia! <3

I can be mistaking but I checked my gear with the BiS as stated above. I see in the list that all spirit is being reforged to other stats. During some fights(maloriak hc, atramedes hc) I'm oom quite fast. Although I'm tank healer...
Am I checking this list wrong?

Edit: I see shadow Tier higher that Healing Tier. Is this maybe wrong posted as this is the shadow BiS?

Nessana · 02/09/11, 4:17 AM

Hello

I played a bit around with Simcraft and tried to get the SEP values for SMF after 4.06
because nowhere in this forum (or i just didn't see it) are SEP values for SMF.
Just for TG where Crit/Mastery > Hit, but for SMF i cant find them anywhere.

So i am at the moment at work and cant post the exact numbers but the result was: Crit>Hit>Mastery>Haste

So i dont know if i made something wrong, but it seems quite ok for me, because as SMF RB will not hit
as hard than as TG, and playing with just 8% Hit can be very pain in the ass i guess. In the CS 6 seconds windows
where you want to place much hits, and with 8% i think it can happen often that you will have some ugly miss strikes series, that you can't use the cs window optimal.

However my result for SMF in Statsprio where: Crit>Hit>Mastery>Haste

Did any1 encounter similar priorities? Or did i just make some mistakes.

Greetings

Felstone · 02/09/11, 4:45 AM

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R00k!3 · 02/09/11, 4:53 AM

Is it intended that Aimed Shot still cancels Auto Shots?

Babkiller · 02/09/11, 4:59 AM

Has anybody tried to replace ES glyph by AS one ?
I assume with the changes we are better off casting free arcane shots with the LNL proc. Besides, while doing tests I've noticed I often had my ES one sec early with the 4p bonus.

I stink with maths so, I'll let theorycrafter come up with actual facts.

stevenzb · 02/09/11, 5:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

What would a caster weapon have to do with FT/FT? FT no longer scales with spellpower for enhancement so mastery would be more likely the determining factor on FT/FT versus WF/FT since FT scales with mastery while WF does not.

Just started playing with that new Rogue reforging tool last night and it's pretty impressive. Quirk, you might want to give it a try and see if it can't help you save enough gold so you can afford a landslide for when you get your HM weapons.

Complete Rogue Reforger tool

I've started using WoW Reforge Calculator for figuring out reforging. This also does not take into account the hit from ele precision but if you just do the math yourself from your chest enchant you can enter the correct amount of hit rating you would need from gear. Afterward your can "optimize" the gear toward stats you prefer according to weights you can modify. Very helpful imo.

Also first post ;p

Gnusella · 02/09/11, 5:19 AM

Hello!

I am sure, someone has noticed that RawR is somewhat broken at the moment? But I cant find someone mentioning it.
Since the last update (from the 6th Feb) it stopped considering the requirements for meta gems for me.

DoppieTheMage · 02/09/11, 5:23 AM

So about the haste thing .... are you suggesting I should reforge all my mastery > haste and crit > haste till I hit 15% haste ? .... (always staying hit capped)

Asys85 · 02/09/11, 5:25 AM

Is Crit still the best stat to reforge to over Mastery and then Haste?
Was thinking about the increase that Mastery got in 4.0.6.

Cochice · 02/09/11, 5:35 AM

Moved to a PM.

Warper · 02/09/11, 5:45 AM

Babkiller
If you consider using AS instead ES dumping LnL buff it's not going to be effective. Even though you'd have 2*AS>=1*ES you'd have more damage off 2 ES instead of 2 AS.

Barlow · 02/09/11, 5:49 AM

Originally Posted by MysticoNL

I can be mistaking but I checked my gear with the BiS as stated above. I see in the list that all spirit is being reforged to other stats. During some fights(maloriak hc, atramedes hc) I'm oom quite fast. Although I'm tank healer...
Am I checking this list wrong?

Are you checking the "burst"-list? If you do: Spirit provides no burst whatsoever, so it will be reforged by the list. I would not recommend blindly relying on that list. It suggests trinkets with a "on damage" proc. You CAN trigger this, especially with an A/A spec but during burst phases you won't be casting damage spells.

Furthermore let's say you'll have an 359 Item with secondary stats mastery/spirit and a 372 with mastery/hit. (and no crit or haste available on the listet items for this slot). The list will tell you that the item with hit is best in slot for burst simply because it's overall item budget is slightly higher...

Same is true the other way around for sustained healing. Haste does not provide any bonus to sustained healing, thus is valued with zero. So a pvp Item of L365 with secondary stats mastery/resilience will be listed higher than 359 with mastery/haste.

A first "workaround" would be to calculate a personal ratio of burst-to-sustained and then enter the new numbers.

ingix · 02/09/11, 6:13 AM

With the new patch, does the glyph order remain the same, cause i am thinking ice lance>deepfreeze/frostfirebolt. Also haste seems to be more valuable now, maybe even surpass mastery, with the new frostbolt buff, anyone done any math?

DLovett · 02/09/11, 6:31 AM

Originally Posted by Nessana

Hello

I played a bit around with Simcraft and tried to get the SEP values for SMF after 4.06
because nowhere in this forum (or i just didn't see it) are SEP values for SMF.
Just for TG where Crit/Mastery > Hit, but for SMF i cant find them anywhere.

So i am at the moment at work and cant post the exact numbers but the result was: Crit>Hit>Mastery>Haste

So i dont know if i made something wrong, but it seems quite ok for me, because as SMF RB will not hit
as hard than as TG, and playing with just 8% Hit can be very pain in the ass i guess. In the CS 6 seconds windows
where you want to place much hits, and with 8% i think it can happen often that you will have some ugly miss strikes series, that you can't use the cs window optimal.

However my result for SMF in Statsprio where: Crit>Hit>Mastery>Haste

Did any1 encounter similar priorities? Or did i just make some mistakes.

Greetings

Check out this thread, this guy has done quite a lot of SMF-related work with Simcraft:

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