Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1618

Sylvira · 02/09/11, 6:32 PM

Originally Posted by Proioxis

Any chance of updating the Unheeded Warning trinket EP, as it's been changed in this patch?

I believe its already been updated on front page. Yes it still mostly sucks.

Agras · 02/09/11, 7:14 PM

I`ve tested MM today during our raid and the dps was pretty nice. During the Magmaw fight I only used AiS to drop focus and managed to do 25,5k dps although I played not very smoothly because it was the first boss as MM.

Here are the logs if someone is interested:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Hooter306 · 02/09/11, 7:20 PM

Anyone have any data on the volatile alchemist stone and if it could be considered for one of the BIS pre heroic?

Anthropology · 02/09/11, 7:38 PM

Originally Posted by R00k!3

Is it intended that Aimed Shot still cancels Auto Shots?

I noticed this as well, and it led me to wonder: is there any reason to track auto-shots with quartz or other addons anymore? If not for stutter-stepping, is there any use for doing so?

Deathstalker · 02/09/11, 8:12 PM

Some info on using slam as a cast sincer the slam damage buff it does more damage then the melee swing damage you lose an doesnt effect your rage enough to not be able to use rotation off there cooldown

Shadowwaltz · 02/09/11, 8:22 PM

I think it's nice to know so you dont accidentally shoot something you're not supposed to.

Edit: Also so you can get a shot off, turn around to run, then turn back when your shot goes off.

Yeah, I got skillz.

chogyam · 02/09/11, 8:39 PM

So now that weapon damage and Shred have been buffed, is hit rating much higher on the list? Or is mastery still our best secondary?

I would feel as though the Hit cap now is something that we would want to attain, but I have no numbers to back it up. Just intuitively it makes sense.

VAtech · 02/09/11, 8:45 PM

So with the changes to HS, are we avoiding it like the plague now unless we are way over raging? What rotation are you guys using?

NTRMSSION · 02/09/11, 8:50 PM

Originally Posted by Deathstalker

Some info on using slam as a cast sincer the slam damage buff it does more damage then the melee swing damage you lose an doesnt effect your rage enough to not be able to use rotation off there cooldown

I can not fully understand this reasoning (or english). From what i gather, you are trying to say that you lose a white swing from doing a slam and that this makes it not worth using. Since you get the 20% from the patch, another 20% from the surge and the fact that it costs no rage i do not understand why you would not want to use it on proc.

Paladin0228 · 02/09/11, 9:41 PM

Now that the minor glyph no longer refunds us Runic Power when used to self-heal via Lichborne, is Lichborne really worth the 6 point talent investment for the maybe 3 heals you'll get out of it on a 2 minute cooldown ?

The combo was extremely strong before, but I am not quite sure if it is really worth it

Exclamator · 02/09/11, 9:42 PM

If I remember correctly, in the previous version of the FAQ, it listed hit to 27% as the stat to go for, after strength and before crit. It seems to have shifted after mastery and before haste. Now, the mastery priority is obvious, but I am wondering what made it less desirable than crit now.

Deathstalker · 02/09/11, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by NTRMSSION

I can not fully understand this reasoning (or english). From what i gather, you are trying to say that you lose a white swing from doing a slam and that this makes it not worth using. Since you get the 20% from the patch, another 20% from the surge and the fact that it costs no rage i do not understand why you would not want to use it on proc.

I mean you use the bloodsurge proc for slam but during those empty gcds you fill it with slam casted for it 1.5 to 1 speed depending on haste i an seeing a much higher overall dps then just using slam on proc an heroic strikes when you have the rage

instead a rotation of CS, RB , BT, Slam on bloodsurge proc, Casted slam during dead zone in rotation when everything on cd an have enough rage, then heroic strikes in rotation when hitting 100 rage

thats the basic rotation im doing an its running a 14.5 k dps to 16.5 k dps on test dummy no cd rotation

Nev · 02/09/11, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Paladin0228

Now that the minor glyph no longer refunds us Runic Power when used to self-heal via Lichborne, is Lichborne really worth the 6 point talent investment for the maybe 3 heals you'll get out of it on a 2 minute cooldown?

I believe it's stated in many places to read through the entire thread before posting a reply.

On a less beaten-to-death issue, I just spent a little under 2 hours casting outbreak at a raider's dummy while just over the spell hit cap, and in 112 casts had 0 misses. Hardly conclusive, I realize, but unfortunately I didn't have time for any more.

Græskull · 02/09/11, 10:44 PM

With the last patch, 4.0.6, one of the trinkets, Unheeded Warning - Item - World of Warcraft , Unheeded Warning, to up weapon damage by 680. Now,looking at just the proc, as the benefit from agi isn't worth a discussion, being that the best chunk of DW and 2h comes from FS,Obliterate,melee, is there a possibility that this proc might result in a noticeable dps increase. So what I'm wondering, is that would this trinket for its proc be worth using despite the agi which would at best provide nominal crit, My big questions are the possibilities of a pve/pvp use of this trinket. My gut has me feeling it could be fun for pvp for some real big oblite's, but I'd like some one with a better understanding of math to see what they come up with.

TL;DR
PVP applications;lolobliterates in the execute range. [12+12+15[2h] + 680
PVE applications ;Proc able to provide substained and worthwhile dps increase despite agility's lack luster gains.

NateB · 02/09/11, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jaypie

A german GM just gave me the confirmation that the 5% Debuff crit WON'T be trippled by shatter.
So you need 31,7% crit for the soft cap

GMs cannot reliably provide this information, they are not responsible for game mechanics. Until a blue poster confirms this or someone parses it, this is unsubstantiated rumor.

Test needs, if anyone has the ability to do it:

30% character sheet crit, no t11 bonus
A fire mage or warlock keeping the debuff up on a test dummy

Test it until you find a non-crit from a shatter combo