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Old 02/10/11, 3:18 PM   #24346
Palé
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Trollbane (EU)
Hey hamlet great work here but can you get wrathcalcs to work for openoffice for once :X (as I use a mac so is the only option). So prepatch by using the dummys I found figurine jewelled serpent to be > HoI(normal) and Theralions Mirror(normal) post patch there all pretty similar using trial on the dummy but this could be rng and also the greater int on theralions mirror will scale with raid buffs. So do you know a definite answer which is best out of them three trinkets post patch?

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Old 02/10/11, 3:22 PM   #24347
Colraw80
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Kilrogg
Since Blizzard changed the proc on this trinket and I have not seen it listed in the SimList, has anyone run numbers on the new stats for this?

Mandala of Stirring Patterns
Trinket
+321 Spirit
Equip: Your healing spells have a chance to grant 1,926 Intellect for 10 sec.

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Old 02/10/11, 3:32 PM   #24348
Tieryal
Glass Joe
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Blackwing Lair
Thanks a lot for the feedback on the previous page Liar.

imo I feel the changes they made to try and make blood plague more important really just made things feel more clunky.

Crimson Scourge would make sense if it was a free BB not based on having BP on your target (just 10% chance on hit). It feels extremely lackluster, especially when we aren't really looking for a free BB when taking bosses anyways. To keep BP on the target up 24/7, you would have to sacrifice an U rune and mess up your UF pair in return for 30 seconds of "Maybe you will get something you don't even really need, or want" which just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I'm missing something.

Can crimson scourge proc for you off of other DK's BP? I'm at work so I can't test. If that's true, then it feels like there isn't even a reason to outbreak the target if someone else will be providing you free blood boils/diseases. That still doesn't change the fact though that everything blood boil provides on a single target is pretty worthless (threat/damage).

On top of that they removed scarlet fever from the blood boil effect? What are they trying to accomplish?

I agree with your idea for 30 second CD outbreak. Imo they should JUNK the crimson scourge talent and turn it into a talent with max 2 points that reduces the CD of outbreak by (15/30) seconds. I assume they have it on a 60 second CD to limit unholy/frost from just using that to apply (however I could be wrong because I haven't dpsed with either of those trees since stage 1 of ICC).

That way we don't have extra points floating around, it's a viable change to have the 10% damage reduction come from BP and we can also keep it up for the raid the entire time.

Until then I really dislike the 30 seconds of 10% damage reduction we will be missing which you could easily keep up when it was attached to BB.

So I will probably end up with a talent tree that looks like this.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I don't have 2/2 Blood Parasite because personally I find them extremely annoying (something I can't control) although I understand their viability in raids.
I like the 2 points in endless winter because I often find myself needing a reliable interrupt (in raids/heroics) and I also like bringing Aboms Might to the raid.

I would like a few players opinions on LB as a tanking CD. I understand it's position as a major taking CD currently in end game but does anyone else feel like it just doesn't belong? I personally can't stand the CD and would like to see it be moved elsewhere or re-designed.

Last edited by Tieryal : 02/10/11 at 3:37 PM.

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Old 02/10/11, 3:38 PM   #24349
Runpuff
 
Tauren Druid
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
So I just got essence of the cyclone 272. And now I´m wondering what the best trinket combo would be, Unheeded Warning or Fluid Death?

Thanks in advance ^^.

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Old 02/10/11, 3:39 PM   #24350
rkmonkey
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Skullcrusher
Survival vs Marks

I've been trying to follow the entire hunter forums in order to see what the highest dps spec is. With no avail. Has MM pulled out ahead of Survival or are they both pretty competitive? With 4.0.6, I figured there would be a change.

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Old 02/10/11, 3:41 PM   #24351
nathanrael
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Mal'Ganis
In regards to the new changes to Rawr, AskMrRobot, and Simcraft:

After running it with my current gear (352 iLVL average, combination of rep epics and a couple crafted pieces), SimCraft rated stats as follows:

Int - 2.8077
SP - 2.0815
Haste - 1.5518
Hit - 1.4273
Crit - 1.0952
Mastery - 0.9177

This was with 10000 iterations.
SimCraft results for Nathanrael @ Blackrock

Presumably, it's factoring in ignite munching and the reduced mana costs for Fireball and LB. Mr. Robot has also been updated for 4.0.6 changes and suggests reforging/re-enchanting to haste. Considering Fire's spec mechanics (Hot Streak procs, mainly), is this accurate in practice? Is ignite munching truly as large of a damage loss as what has been estimated?

EDIT: Lastly, since we seem to be moving away from crit, would the LB glyph become a DPS increase with more ticks and fewer Pyroblasts?

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Old 02/10/11, 3:42 PM   #24352
Reinah
 
Worgen Death Knight
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by Himsul View Post
That is not for dual wield, it is only for 2h frost. When you include NoCS and dualwielding you need only 5% hit (which is 600hit) and a lot more to get zero misses on melee attacks.
Can you tell me the exact hit cap for a frost DW Dk (including NoCS 3/3) for normal raids ? Because i currenlty have 14% hit rating and with that my chance to miss 88 level NPCs is around 13% (for normal attacks)

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Old 02/10/11, 3:54 PM   #24353
Veanorn
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Doomhammer
Originally Posted by Canton View Post
Currently I have beeen playing with the 2 hander build with this spec and standing in UP 2-hander Frost test

I am finding dps is the same or a litttle more than DW.
Hitting around; 11.2k-12.5k testing on target dummy. 6 tests 5 minutes long each..
I use the Haste>Mastery>Crit approach
I see a ton of RP gain, lots more FS.
I am in heroic gear with a few epics, will test in raid tonight.

PS.You can move 2 out of Endless Winter (MF) and move into Pale Horse...

Consider says all this in the OP, not sure what you are getting at?

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Old 02/10/11, 4:00 PM   #24354
Ezek
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Rogue
 
Darkspear
How does Scaleslicer stack up against Uhn'agh Fash, the Darkest Betrayer? Would Scaleslicer be a good weapon to use in the time being on the way to aquiring Uhn'agh? because my guild has not yet downed Cho'Gall and I didnt know if that was a solid temporary OH.

any help is appreciated, Thanks.

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Old 02/10/11, 4:05 PM   #24355
Gallathus
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Draenor
Originally Posted by Tieryal View Post
Can crimson scourge proc for you off of other DK's BP?
No. On the tooltip it specifies that it procs on tagets infected with your Blood Plague.

Also, why doesn't blizzard turn Crimson Scourge into our old Glyph of Pestilence? This seems like a great idea imo

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Old 02/10/11, 4:07 PM   #24356
Grimwolf
Von Kaiser
 
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Worgen Rogue
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Ezek View Post
How does Scaleslicer stack up against Uhn'agh Fash, the Darkest Betrayer? Would Scaleslicer be a good weapon to use in the time being on the way to aquiring Uhn'agh? because my guild has not yet downed Cho'Gall and I didnt know if that was a solid temporary OH.

any help is appreciated, Thanks.
Hit > Haste, Expertise > Crit. Scaleslicer is superior, until heroic Uhn'agh. I've got Uhn'agh and would love to get Scaleslicer to drop

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Old 02/10/11, 4:13 PM   #24357
Karlino
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Dregamir View Post
When you're asking this, are you going by the cast time including the lag or no? I.e., are you referring to the cast time it gives you on the tool tip or the cast time a cast bar addon gives you, such as quartz?
Lag is always a factor I suppose, and whatever time in between casts you're failing to take advantage of. Is that to say that the pre-t11 4 set 1.67 cobra rotation is flawed, because it allows no room for error/latency?

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Old 02/10/11, 4:45 PM   #24358
Xaraphyne
Von Kaiser
 
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Troll Hunter
 
Twisting Nether
MM did in fact pull ahead of the other two, and SV and BM are pretty close to one another now. No one has said so explicitly in recent posts, which threw me off at first too, but then I thought to check the Hunter FAQ and OP's (original posts) of the individual spec threads, because those are usually kept updated.

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Old 02/10/11, 4:47 PM   #24359
UnholY_Prince
King Hippo
 
Goblin Priest
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Amonra View Post
Mana tide totem is raid wide and will basically guarantee to hit cap us for the duration, but unless the sim raid is massively overstocked with resto shamans then I wouldn't have thought this would have a big impact overall.
Mana tide totem is not raid wide.

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Old 02/10/11, 4:48 PM   #24360
Rambaral
Piston Honda
 
Human Rogue
 
Bronzebeard
Originally Posted by Ezek View Post
How does Scaleslicer stack up against Uhn'agh Fash, the Darkest Betrayer? Would Scaleslicer be a good weapon to use in the time being on the way to aquiring Uhn'agh? because my guild has not yet downed Cho'Gall and I didnt know if that was a solid temporary OH.

any help is appreciated, Thanks.
Considering there are no other PVE 1.4 daggers of that ilvl your options are pretty clear.

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