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Old 02/13/11, 11:20 AM   #24526
dsxshadowmoon
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Kilrogg
Opinions on 3 Trinkets

I was curious if I could get some opinions on a few numbers I ran (in game) between trinket combination's.

Note: When running these numbers, I was in Holy Spec, Unbuffed, and Only letting Trinkets and Heartsong Procs Stay up to keep the data as pure as possible. Casting was done on a single target (myself).

The Three Trinkets I will be going over are Jar of Ancient Remedies(JAR), Mandala of Stirring Patterns(MSP), and Heroic: Tear of Blood(TOB).
Note 2: Keep in mind that I intend on trading out Heroic: Tear of Blood for Fall of Mortality once it drops.

Test 1- Base Spirit: 2794/Combat Regen: 3383 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
Heartsong(HS) + MSP + JAR (Not counting in the use effect) = 4662 Combat Regen
Misc Figures- Since this had the lowest return on combat regen of the 3 tests, I did not bother checking Arcane Torrent + JAR Use Effect, but it would have still returned less mp5 than the numbers in Test 2, which still leaves it on the least desirable end, in my opinion.

Test 2- Base Spirit: 2473/Combat Regen: 3189 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
HS + JAR (Not counting in the use effect) + TOB = 5308 Combat Regen
Misc Figures- Unbuffed, the mana return from Arcane Torrent and the use effect of JAR is 11576 every to minutes (which if my math is right, equates to 482.3 repeating) which taken into account would put the combat regen at 5790.3 Repeating.

Test 3- Base Spirit: 2794/Combat Regen: 3470 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
HS + MSP + TOB = 6019 Combat Regen
Misc Figures - Unbuffed, the mana return from a MSP proc when using Arcane Torrent with my current gear comes out to 7013 every 2 minutes, which taken into account would put the combat regen at 6311.21.

So, Opinions?

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Old 02/13/11, 11:24 AM   #24527
Nimiks
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Dalaran (EU)
yeah I just took it as a fact (ticks miss so it's not a dot). My bad. Gz for heroic nef btw clack !

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Old 02/13/11, 12:01 PM   #24528
Exiztence
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Troll Shaman
 
Agamaggan (EU)
Hello, I am wondering whenever anyone tried to do maths regarding the 2set T6 which was (I guess with 4.0) changed to flat 10% focus regeneration which might make it worth using even now.

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Old 02/13/11, 12:23 PM   #24529
jimmius
 
Worgen Mage
 
Stormreaver (EU)
after trying to optimize my stats and using simulation craft

i have the following factors but i don't know what they should actually be for the best possible dps with my gear

2.9 int

2.11 sp

1.503 hit its caped

1.058 haste

1.028 mastery

1.0074 crit

i guessed that the closest this factors are the best resault i am getting from my gear but i am not sure that that's the right approach

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Old 02/13/11, 12:24 PM   #24530
Viscus
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Silvermoon (EU)
On a totally different subject, how do you guys feel about rolling on cloth items?

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Old 02/13/11, 12:35 PM   #24531
rockfishiv
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Doomhammer
Originally Posted by dsxshadowmoon View Post
I was curious if I could get some opinions on a few numbers I ran (in game) between trinket combination's.

Note: When running these numbers, I was in Holy Spec, Unbuffed, and Only letting Trinkets and Heartsong Procs Stay up to keep the data as pure as possible. Casting was done on a single target (myself).

The Three Trinkets I will be going over are Jar of Ancient Remedies(JAR), Mandala of Stirring Patterns(MSP), and Heroic: Tear of Blood(TOB).
Note 2: Keep in mind that I intend on trading out Heroic: Tear of Blood for Fall of Mortality once it drops.

Test 1- Base Spirit: 2794/Combat Regen: 3383 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
Heartsong(HS) + MSP + JAR (Not counting in the use effect) = 4662 Combat Regen
Misc Figures- Since this had the lowest return on combat regen of the 3 tests, I did not bother checking Arcane Torrent + JAR Use Effect, but it would have still returned less mp5 than the numbers in Test 2, which still leaves it on the least desirable end, in my opinion.

Test 2- Base Spirit: 2473/Combat Regen: 3189 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
HS + JAR (Not counting in the use effect) + TOB = 5308 Combat Regen
Misc Figures- Unbuffed, the mana return from Arcane Torrent and the use effect of JAR is 11576 every to minutes (which if my math is right, equates to 482.3 repeating) which taken into account would put the combat regen at 5790.3 Repeating.

Test 3- Base Spirit: 2794/Combat Regen: 3470 (No Procs, Unbuffed)
HS + MSP + TOB = 6019 Combat Regen
Misc Figures - Unbuffed, the mana return from a MSP proc when using Arcane Torrent with my current gear comes out to 7013 every 2 minutes, which taken into account would put the combat regen at 6311.21.

So, Opinions?

It will come down to what trinket combination works best for you in your raid environment.
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Old 02/13/11, 12:36 PM   #24532
Elwood
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Tauren Druid
 
Khadgar
I'd be very interested to see the cloth piece that you feel is worth giving up the 5% Int leather bonus for.

Beyond that, you're taking gear from the people that can't use yours... you really think that's helpful to your raid?

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Old 02/13/11, 1:19 PM   #24533
santo51
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Tauren Warrior
 
Dragonmaw
i have been tanking for about a year and some change now and the rules for stats in WOLK seemed easier to follow than now. i guess i'm just having trouble figureing out if i'm on the right track with stats of am i over stacking one thing over another. ive been looking ll over and i keep finding different stat priorities for warrior tanks.

presently my stats are:
stam: 8097
str: 3013
dodge: 12.90%
parry: 12.63%
mastery: 13.79
block: 40.69%
unbuffed hp: 158547

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Old 02/13/11, 1:29 PM   #24534
Viscus
 
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Silvermoon (EU)
I don't have the luxury of choosing what gear i get, im a tank by main spec, the only items i can take is the ones that nobody wants, hence why i asked if its ok to use a mix of cloth and leather.

Beyond that, you're taking gear from the people that can't use yours... you really think that's helpful to your raid?
you probably shouldn't jump to conclusions, since you couldn't be more wrong.

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Old 02/13/11, 3:30 PM   #24535
wtrhzrd
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Orc Rogue
 
Black Dragonflight
Does this still work in Cata

/script local p="player" for i=1,40 do local _,_,_,_,_,_,_,u,_,_,s=UnitBuff(p,i) if u==p and s==59628 then CancelUnitBuff(p,i) break end end

for TotT? I'm the only Rogue in our raids but I'd like to be able to Tricks our Fury Warrior if I can do it without causing him to pull aggro. I been meaning to get with him and test it but I haven't got around to doing it yet. I think it would work out better on him than just repeatedly Tricking the tank (unless he needs it).

CancelUnitBuff becoming a protected function is why I'm curious if the macro wouldn't work anymore.

Last edited by wtrhzrd : 02/13/11 at 3:41 PM.

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Old 02/13/11, 3:33 PM   #24536
Gavinas
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Night Elf Hunter
 
Shattered Hand
Originally Posted by Exiztence View Post
Hello, I am wondering whenever anyone tried to do maths regarding the 2set T6 which was (I guess with 4.0) changed to flat 10% focus regeneration which might make it worth using even now.
That's roughly 0.4 focus/s depending on how it interacts with the increase to focus generation from haste. That would give you an extra arcane shot roughly every 55s. Assuming you used belt/bracers to lose the least stats in exchange for the 2pc you give up ~350 agi compared to ilvl 359 gear. I'm yet to see Simcraft give agi a stat weight below 3 dps/agi for any spec in any set of gear so just the agility lost is 1000 dps as a conservative estimate. Arcane shot doesn't hit anywhere near 55k. Considering that you would also lose a great deal of various combat ratings it seems extremely unlikely that the T6 2pc would ever be worth it.

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Old 02/13/11, 4:19 PM   #24537
Firnas
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Human Rogue
 
Draka
Originally Posted by wtrhzrd View Post
Does this still work in Cata

/script local p="player" for i=1,40 do local _,_,_,_,_,_,_,u,_,_,s=UnitBuff(p,i) if u==p and s==59628 then CancelUnitBuff(p,i) break end end

for TotT? I'm the only Rogue in our raids but I'd like to be able to Tricks our Fury Warrior if I can do it without causing him to pull aggro. I been meaning to get with him and test it but I haven't got around to doing it yet. I think it would work out better on him than just repeatedly Tricking the tank (unless he needs it).

CancelUnitBuff becoming a protected function is why I'm curious if the macro wouldn't work anymore.
Couldn't tell you. This is what I've been using:

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help] [target=focus, help] [target=targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

then I have macros on my F5 to F8 keys that have /focus 'playername' and switch back to a ToT target then back to MT focus. Or you can quickly type out /focus playername if you dont want to mess with macros as long as they have no special characters in their name you don't know the alt switches to.

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Old 02/13/11, 4:27 PM   #24538
chiyeuk
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Human Warlock
 
Arathor
Just take off your weapon!

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Old 02/13/11, 4:32 PM   #24539
Sun_Tzu
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Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by Cadiac View Post
This was briefly posted in the 4.0.1 bug thread, but you can currently dual-wield as restoration spec, and use EL on both hands. Basically it is probably a bug, but as long as it works using random offhand with EL is superior to shield.
Given that there aren't any 1H/OH SP weapons, you're trading in the region of 200 Int for a heartsong enchant, which is not a good trade by any measure.

Dual Power Torrent might sort of sound ok, but I still don't really see it.

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Old 02/13/11, 4:45 PM   #24540
Case
 
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Korgath
Has anyone worked out the updated EP value for [Left Eye of Rajh]?

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