Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 164

Hobbie · 05/05/09, 7:13 PM

i was wondering what you thought of this spec, instead of taking wyvern sting, would going into imp stings over noxious stings increase DPS
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or instead of going for hawk and glyphing to try and get to the soft cap, how would this stack up if you wanted wyvern sting
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jjj · 05/05/09, 7:13 PM

Thank you. Consider yourself quoted on my guild's forums.

StriderStone · 05/05/09, 7:18 PM

I am new to WoW completely, level 20 w00t w00t, and I just had a couple questions using immolate as an example

Immolate at the highest rank...

stock(without gear or talents)
burst 460
dot 785

stacking stats(look below the numbers for explanation)
burst 987.7
dot 1543.9895

not stacking stats
burst 967
dot 1485.35

If you start from the top of the talent tree you get +6% damage over time bonus, in this does that make 832.1 the new stock damage and the 30% you gain from improved immolate go off of that percent or does the percent added always get the improvement from the stock 785?

dot gets 6% from Aftermath
dot and burst get 30% from improved immolate
dot and burst get 15% from emberstorm
dot and burst get 300 damage from fire & brimstone if you have 2000sp (how exactly is this calculated? would that be 300 actual damage or something different?)

does the damage that you get add on to the actual spell damage and then relate to some formula that generates actual damage or is it a plain drawn number of extra added on damage?

if you need more numbers or a better explanation please let me know.

SeresthePriest · 05/05/09, 10:03 PM

Simply put, I am quite new to this game, I have only been playing since October of 2008. I didn't hit 80 until January. When I joined my newest guild. Bane. They asked me to go from holy to Discipline. Now, I am having issues getting raid spots that I am use to having. And I am not quite sure what to do to get that spot again. When I read the forum on discipline priests, my head starts to hurt. I know nothing about the mathematics or theory crafting that you guys are so well known for. I just know that what information I can gather from you guys, made me a great holy priest. So Please help! I beg you, paying fifteen dollars a month to spend sitting on a bench is lame. I love to raid, I love the exhilaration you get when you down that incredibly hard boss for the first time with a guild. So any information without putting numbers on it helps. Thanks so much!

I am gonna edit this to input a bit more information. Basically When I spoke with my gm, they had been comparing me to a disc priest they had that was less geared than I was ( my gear is mainly for holy ) before the patch hit and Ulduar landed. And, I have done my best, learning a new rotation etc. So now I am in this slump and I dunno how to get out of it, or even if I should join another guild or give up on raiding period. I am extremely unhappy about this situation.

StriderStone · 05/05/09, 10:17 PM

I am new to WoW completely, level 20 w00t w00t, and I just had a couple questions using immolate as an example

Immolate at the highest rank...

stock(without gear or talents)
burst 460
dot 785

stacking stats(look below the numbers for explanation)
burst 987.7
dot 1543.9895

not stacking stats
burst 967
dot 1485.35

If you start from the top of the talent tree you get +6% damage over time bonus, in this does that make 832.1 the new stock damage and the 30% you gain from improved immolate go off of that percent or does the percent added always get the improvement from the stock 785?

dot gets 6% from Aftermath
dot and burst get 30% from improved immolate
dot and burst get 15% from emberstorm
dot and burst get 300 damage from fire & brimstone if you have 2000sp (how exactly is this calculated? would that be 300 actual damage or something different?)

does the damage that you get add on to the actual spell damage and then relate to some formula that generates actual damage or is it a plain drawn number of extra added on damage?

if you need more numbers or a better explanation please let me know.

*sorry for the double post*

crohnoes · 05/05/09, 10:31 PM

Let's start posting numbers again so we can find out what is the best of the best.

I've used dual Pyrite Infuser procs in this one, because Blood of the Old God isn't in the current version:

EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      7346.01
ap                        1.00      0.66      7478.32        132.31
crit rating               2.06      1.36      7386.93        40.92
hit rating                1.62      1.07      7378.25        32.24
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -7346.01
haste rating              1.92      1.27      7384.09        38.07
armor penetration rating  1.42      0.94      7374.27        28.26
spellpower                1.12      0.74      7457.37        111.35
mh dps                    4.95      3.28      7370.59        24.58
oh dps                    2.54      1.68      7358.60        12.59
strength                  1.10      
agility                   1.81      
intelligence*             1.51      
spirit                    0.00      0.00      0.00           -7346.01
mana                      0.00      0.00      0.00           -7346.01
mp5                       0.00      0.00      0.00           -7346.01

5000 hours.

EnhSim version 1.7.0

................................................................................

MH:
miss                549777         4.36%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            3029784        24.00%
hit                 3464044        27.44%
crit                5578310        44.20%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          14.34%
procs/swings        13.80%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2139195        52.86%
crit                1907941        47.14%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1077040        52.82%
crit                961935         47.18%

OH:
miss                549431         4.35%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            3027408        23.99%
hit                 3462940        27.44%
crit                5582136        44.23%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 9892259        60.05%
crit                6581285        39.95%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1077168        52.83%
crit                961807         47.17%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1551364        59.99%
crit                1034612        40.01%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1245253        52.72%
crit                1116832        47.28%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 2292993        60.00%
crit                1528418        40.00%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 2348610        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               588994         6.50%
glancing            2174678        23.98%
hit                 5263006        58.04%
crit                1040522        11.48%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 60.01

flurry uptime                  93.45%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.53%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              41.76%
oh enchant uptime              37.88%
trinket1 uptime                17.84%
trinket2 uptime                17.84%
totem uptime                   67.97%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2080.01   28.31%    84.15
windfury            777.35    10.58%    6.75
flametongue         606.93    8.26%     54.91
stormstrike         421.97    5.74%     6.80      0.00      0.00%
lava lash           366.08    4.98%     7.87      15.81     6.68%
magma totem         594.95    8.1%      3.00      55.79     23.55%
earth shock         618.77    8.42%     8.62      86.20     36.39%
lightning bolt      1299.00   17.68%    12.74     75.75     31.98%
lightning shield    247.35    3.37%     0.87      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       333.77    4.54%     0.40      3.31      1.40%

DPS                 7346.18
MPS                 236.85
MP2min              28422.20
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 34.41s
simulation speed: 523164x

Em. · 05/06/09, 2:04 AM

Thanks so much. I didn't even notice.

Coamenel · 05/06/09, 2:48 AM

Just finished my new one, C&C welcome

justo · 05/06/09, 2:50 AM

this is my UI. took hours to get it the way i wanted everything

Snuffsis · 05/06/09, 3:02 AM

Originally Posted by Harmôny

1. ForteXorcist
2. Opie
3. Pitbull 4.0
4. Grid
5. ORA2
6. Satrina's BuffBars
7. Quartz
8. Chatter
9. Omen
10. Recount
11. Tiny Tip
12. SimpleMinimap
13. BigWings
14. Fubar
15. ButtonFacade_Caith
16. Bartender 4.0 (vehicule)

Hey man, awesome ui, you dont mind uploading your wtf and interface folders do ya?

Snuffsis · 05/06/09, 3:02 AM

Originally Posted by Harmôny

1. ForteXorcist
2. Opie
3. Pitbull 4.0
4. Grid
5. ORA2
6. Satrina's BuffBars
7. Quartz
8. Chatter
9. Omen
10. Recount
11. Tiny Tip
12. SimpleMinimap
13. BigWings
14. Fubar
15. ButtonFacade_Caith
16. Bartender 4.0 (vehicule)

Hey man, awesome ui, you dont mind uploading your wtf and interface folders do ya?

abys · 05/06/09, 5:19 AM

Here is my Resto Shaman UI

UI Addons:
1. Bartender
2. Pitbull
3. Grid + Clique
4. Quartz
5. Ghost pulse
6. Chatter
7. Parrot
8. RangeDisplay
9. Bar addon <to be updated>
10. Buffs/Debuffs bar <to be updated>

Functional Addons
1. DBM
2. Ora2

DarkBanto · 05/06/09, 5:41 AM

Hi All, back again with a new question

I am having some difficulty deciding where to put my talent points in the unholy part of my blood build. My main problems revolve around necrosis, blood caked blade, ravenous dead and from the frost tree runic power mastery..

My spec is 51/2/18 at the moment. I use my DRW every cooldown and love it.

Right now I am

3/3 Ravenous Dead
5/5 necrosis
0/3 BcB
2/2 Runic power mastery

I am now wondering if this is the best combo for optimal dps or should i include BcB? I´m thinking of variations like

3/3 Ravenous Dead
2/5 necrosis
3/3 BcB
2/2 Runic power mastery

2/3 Ravenous Dead
3/5 necrosis
3/3 BcB
2/2 Runic power mastery

Or something along those lines..

Now I have also been wondering about just going 51/0/20 and putting the 2 points from the frost tree into BcB. Will 2 points in BcB and the more constant dps gain be better than the few xtra seconds of burst damage from your DRW. As I stated earlier I love DRW and get it up almost every CD. But options for this could be

3/3 Ravenous Dead
5/5 necrosis
2/3 BcB
0/2 Runic power mastery

3/3 Ravenous Dead
4/5 necrosis
3/3 BcB
0/2 Runic power mastery

I have not considered NoTD as I mainly use my Ghoul as an Oh shit heal button with death pact. But I also sometimes pop him with DRW. Could a slight change in playstyle here give more dps perhaps?

Will any of the proposed changes show anything significant like 2-300 dps increase or will it just be a minor change? I am perfectly happy with my dps as is, but the last few questions about my spec have been nagging me for a while, so might as well try to get them answered...

Thanks guys/gals

Refrakt · 05/06/09, 7:54 AM

is 2 tier 7.5 important? "Increase the damage by your rupture by 10%" for mutilate?

I have the [Chestguard of the Recluse], and [Frosted Adroit Handguards]. I am using [Treacherous Shoulderpads] as the shoulder. Basically I had removed T7.5 chest, glove and shoulder. I do not have the t7,5 head yet.

Will dps without t7.5 2 set bonus gimp my dps?

Kurtan · 05/06/09, 8:49 AM

My UI with selmade panels (KgPanels).

molson · 05/06/09, 10:03 AM

How dependent is deep destro on raid buffs? My guild has cleared Ulduar 10 (we primarily consider ourselves a "hardcore 10 man guild") but has picked up recruitment to work on 25 mans. The problem is, none of our shaman are elemental. Only 2 of our druids are boomkin but one usually has to go resto and the other is often asked to MT on his DK. Caster buffs are non-existent in 10 mans and severely lacking in 25s so I'm wondering if destro suffers more from the lack of crits buffs compared to aff/felguard?

Miyomoto · 05/06/09, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by saytr79

According to mmochampion it drops from iron council hard mode.

Ye my bad, just woke up when i posted this and the spell mace drops from hodir so i got confused lol

gorf · 05/06/09, 11:48 AM

I've trawled the forums but can't find a definitive answer so here goes.

Does Haunt give the 20% damage buff to Drain Soul?

Zarnu · 05/06/09, 12:00 PM

I think that the calculations for glyphs need to be looked at again. I spent the last 2 hours studying the difference in DPS between the Wrath and Lava Totems. I know the recommendation on EJ says to use the wrath glyph but when doing a comparision test for DPS it droped by 6.5% when I use the wrath over the Lava totem.

Test Method: Keep everything the same, test 10-12 times using the same primary rotation on test dummy. Measure DPS. Then do the same with the other glyph. Wrath was substancially lower.

Just my thoughts....

Zarnu

Sensui07 · 05/06/09, 12:25 PM

I'm new to this DK tanking thing but I want to tank as Unholy I have worked on a build I was wondering if I could get any pointers as to what I need to remove points from...I wasn't sure if having a pet at all times would be good for threat but it is I would like to keep that in my build. Here is my build: 10/7/54

dazzel123 · 05/06/09, 12:51 PM

this is the slap in the face i have needed hehe, so what about the gems? shall i get the soft expertise cap? or go all out str? being a jc makes getting the expertise cap easier so it might be more viable? also is it worth taking out the point from bone shield and putting it into black ice?

Damphair · 05/06/09, 2:06 PM

I'm having some troubles using v31d and I hope one of you can help. I checked the last 3 pages of this thread and didn't see this question addressed. If this is the wrong place for it, please point me to the right place. Thanks.

First, in the Gear_Buffs tab, I didn't see any buff from Divine Spirit in the raid buff section. (This is easy enough to fix and I just added a row for it.)

Second, in my Gear_Buffs tab, the total +dmg returns the error of "#Name." When I checked the formula, I see that that G132 is causing some problems:

=IF(AND(glyph_lifetap,_xlfn.IFERROR(lifetap_freq,0)),0.2*spirit*20/_xlfn.IFERROR(lifetap_freq,0),0)

Seems to me that it's trying to establish the lifetap_freq, but as far as I can tell, that data is on the DPS worksheet and I don't see any reference, like "DPS!J2" or something similar. I'm also not clear on what IFERROR does. Is that just corrupted code? I can't find IFERROR as a function?

Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.

Tremonti · 05/06/09, 2:12 PM

I am assuming this will now replace Daschal's Bite as the BiS MH for Mutilate rogues. A shame too since I just picked up a Daschal's last night. Anyways looks like we will have to start working on Iron Council Hard mode now =P

Reuben · 05/06/09, 2:31 PM

Not to jump on any bandwagon, but i too chose 1 out of Empowered Imp, due to the high crit lvls we already see in raid setting.

Mexican Devil · 05/06/09, 4:37 PM

Just a question real quik, I am currently using Calamity's Grasp/Webbed Death. I got Kinetic Ripper the other night. Could this be a good replacement for Webbed Death?