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Old 02/14/11, 1:00 PM   #24601
SorrowWind
 
Undead Rogue
 
Executus
I am curious as to the reason why [Uhn'agh Fash, the Darkest Betrayal] was selected as best in slot. Is it because there is no heroic version of the Scaleslicer.

Would people agree that the Scaleslicer is the best OH available to be prepared for heroics. Considering Hit & expertise is bettter than Haste and Crit

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Old 02/14/11, 1:03 PM   #24602
Pawpurr
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Lightninghoof
The discussion about selfless healer has been in this thread at least three separate times and it's included in the OP.

No, using your holy power for healing doesn't make you deal more damage under any circumstance.

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Old 02/14/11, 1:32 PM   #24603
Aerullia
Glass Joe
 
Human Mage
 
Magtheridon
On the topic of Ignite Munching, the common belief is that it is approximately 35% of ignite damage lost. However, I can't recall seeing anywhere on this thread how you calculate your expected ignite damage. It's obviously not as simple as total crit damage * .40 as mastery is also a factor. Plus there are spells that do not proc ignite (such as dmc:volcano).

I think it would be very helpful if people knew how to calculate their ignite damage lost, so they can use that in RAWR and in the simulations. Also, ignite munching is probably slightly overblown on fights with lots of adds - since there's a very good chance you'll lose ignite damage from mobs dying -- and not from munching. I have a feeling, that the 35% value we keep seeing is slightly high due to this. Good fights to calculate true ignite munching are probably Argaloth, V&T, Omnitron, Chimaeron, and Atramedes.

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Old 02/14/11, 1:36 PM   #24604
Zefa
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Cho'gall
I'm probably wrong on this but are Heroic Heart of Rage and License to slay our new BiS? I may have done it wrong but thats what I'm getting with the new stat weights

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Old 02/14/11, 1:47 PM   #24605
DaDeigo
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Malfurion
Concerning combustion:
Is there any reason i should pop all my cd's when i see i have a good stack up and hit combustion or is the damage solely calculated off my dotts, which means i should pop all my cd's fish for a good stack and use it?

Is popping a trinket like heart right before a combustion correct and troll racial or should i be using these while building stacks?


Concerning Impact:
What is a good mod to track when impact dotts spread? It appears like scorchio works 50% of the time and gets it mixed up with LB. If i get back to back impact procs should i spam it again, do i wait?

I need help and I apologize if these are stupid questions. I have not seen these answered yet and i am failing currently and do not understand why.

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Old 02/14/11, 1:48 PM   #24606
Kirasu
 
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Gorefiend
Originally Posted by bumrude View Post
I've never had threat issues apart from at the start of a fight. Magmaw can be tricky though due to the insane threat generated during the head phase. Make sure you get a good lead and you will be fine, tricks and MD's help alot at the start of any fight especially with the recent changes in 4.0.6.
Yeah same.. Even with his tricky aggro you can simply taunt right after head phase to regain it. Even with full tank gear (IE 0 hit and +7 exp) no one is getting above 70% of my threat. Chain missing CS is annoying to be sure, so Ive added Inquisition into the mix to at least get some more reliable damage buff.. I dont even use Sotr anymore cept with divine plea on a pull

On the bright side ive noticed that sotr isnt using up my holy power when it fails to hit

Last edited by Kirasu : 02/14/11 at 1:54 PM.

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Old 02/14/11, 2:07 PM   #24607
Xega
 
Human Mage
 
Elune
Originally Posted by Aerullia View Post
On the topic of Ignite Munching, the common belief is that it is approximately 35% of ignite damage lost. However, I can't recall seeing anywhere on this thread how you calculate your expected ignite damage. It's obviously not as simple as total crit damage * .40 as mastery is also a factor. Plus there are spells that do not proc ignite (such as dmc:volcano).

I think it would be very helpful if people knew how to calculate their ignite damage lost, so they can use that in RAWR and in the simulations. Also, ignite munching is probably slightly overblown on fights with lots of adds - since there's a very good chance you'll lose ignite damage from mobs dying -- and not from munching. I have a feeling, that the 35% value we keep seeing is slightly high due to this. Good fights to calculate true ignite munching are probably Argaloth, V&T, Omnitron, Chimaeron, and Atramedes.
The New CombustionHelper addon has a built in feature for calculating ignite loss basically.

I prefer to play with Rawr/SimC and use a variety of ignite munchs from anywhere from 45% to 25%. The reason why I go high as 40% would be mainly for the atramedes fight since a fire mage moves a ton every two minutes casting mainly scorchs in that fight.

However, right now with the RNG of fire, one fight you can be critting like mad and having a "higher" than normal ignite munch than another fight where your first crit might be "lower" than normal. So I believe the reason some are saying 35% is the average. Please correct me if I am wrong.

On that matter, I dont see why just changing mastery to a direct increase in damage of spellcasts, rather it be about the DoT damage increase. Might be an easy subsitute for the ignit munch loss. I recall someone somewhere was talking about changing mastery to benefit the ignite loss.

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Old 02/14/11, 2:30 PM   #24608
Groggan
Piston Honda
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Feathermoon
Ahh, thanks for clearing that up. I always thought the 24% chance to miss was only for the offhand attacks, not both. That all makes more sense now.

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Old 02/14/11, 2:46 PM   #24609
firescorp
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Altar of Storms
I did a simple test myself. I simply auto attacked the 85 raid dummy from behind and only used obliterate or frost strike once to use up the KM proc, nothing else. I conducted two different ten minute tests, one with the additional hit, one with the regular 8% hit. I did not change haste in either test, I kept them the same. For ten minutes straight, I beat on the dummy. Test #1 (with more hit(12.84%))-59 procs in 10 minutes. Test#2: (with 8% hit, rest reforged into mastery (8%))- 76 procs in 10 minutes. Clearly, I would attribute this madness to RNG. However, my data is only spent with 10 minutes per test behind a raid boss dummy, so it is really inconclusive, but come to your own conclusions.

Last edited by firescorp : 02/14/11 at 2:52 PM.

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Old 02/14/11, 2:46 PM   #24610
Cochice
dorf
 
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Dwarf Shaman
 
Sargeras
Originally Posted by bigtractor View Post
Yesterday I picked up [Claws of Torment] which got me curious to whether or not it would be worth using [Claws of Agony] along with it, in order to get the set-proc.

The only information I've been able to gather here is that the set-proc has a 45sec icd.
The agility you give up using [Claws of Agony] would obviously be a big loss, has anyone ran any sims on this particular setup and would the proc outweigh the steep agility loss?
EnhSim has the set bonus modeled properly, it should be easy for you to figure out how good it is compared to your other options.

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Old 02/14/11, 3:34 PM   #24611
Grimwolf
Von Kaiser
 
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Worgen Rogue
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Tinwhisker View Post
Here's what I've been using, hit it once for normal tricks, hit it a second time to cancel the threat transfer aura.

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cancelaura Tricks of the Trade
/cast [help] [@focus, help] [@targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade
Are you sure that isn't backwards, and if it isn't can you please explain why it works when it's in that order.

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Old 02/14/11, 3:41 PM   #24612
Freitzehn
Von Kaiser
 
Human Rogue
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Grimwolf View Post
Are you sure that isn't backwards, and if it isn't can you please explain why it works when it's in that order.
The first time you use the macro it will ignore the cancelaura command because there's no tricks buff on you to cancel, but it will cast tricks of the trade after trying to cancel the buff. The second time you use the macro it will obey the cancelaura command, as you just used tricks and now have the buff, and it will cancel the threat transfer buff. It will also try to recast tricks, but it won't be off cd so it won't do anything. If your macro whispers your focus/target or w/e, using it twice to cancel the threat will indeed spam them two lines of your message instead of 1 though, so make sure you're not tricksing someone easily annoyed.

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Old 02/14/11, 3:42 PM   #24613
Synek
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
What are your thoughts on Subtlety at the moment? I have been playing it seriously and the numbers are just as high as my Assassination numbers (Not giving figures for obvious reasons). Admittedly, I've not done much theorycrafting (Other then realizing that Unheeded Warning is very good), but I would like to hear other opinions, since there is a lot of talk about Simcraft putting it ahead of Mutilate.

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Old 02/14/11, 4:20 PM   #24614
Lusey
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Onyxia
Personally, I'm staying in a tank healing build where I favor crit slightly over mastery. Currently I think we're the strongest tank healers in the game. I often can keep the tank healed comfortably while still throwing out shields on free globals in between tank damage. As Carnathagia said, by targeting the people who actually might die without my shields I feel like I'm saving lives and not just artificially padding meters. Plus, due to the spammable nature of shield in higher gear I think Blizzard will be addressing shields but not at the expense of our tank healing ability. So while they may nerf our aoe shielding ability, I still think we'll be strong tank healers which is why I'm favoring that role at the moment (almost in anticipation of the incoming nerfs to raid shielding).

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Old 02/14/11, 4:32 PM   #24615
Syncness
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Caelestrasz
Originally Posted by SorrowWind View Post
I am curious as to the reason why [Uhn'agh Fash, the Darkest Betrayal] was selected as best in slot. Is it because there is no heroic version of the Scaleslicer.

Would people agree that the Scaleslicer is the best OH available to be prepared for heroics. Considering Hit & expertise is bettter than Haste and Crit
Heroic Uhn'agh would naturally mean more itemization points than Scaleslicer non-heroic. In short, more EP (not to mention DPS).

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