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Old 02/15/11, 7:56 AM   #24646
Deldion
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
Hey..

Well, i am replying as i kinda disagree with what i see all ppl having in their talent trees and none ever told me why really.. Here's my point: I find the 2 points in Pandemic a bit useless, why?? Well here is the tooltip:

Pandemic Rank 2
Reduces the global cooldown of your Bane and Curse spells by .5 sec.

Your Drain Soul has a 100% chance to refresh the duration of your Unstable Affliction spell when dealing damage on targets below 25% health.



So even if i get to use DS to refresh UA it can only happen at or below 25% health of the boss/mob/whatever. Also, I can refresh the UA with the lovely Fel Flame:

Fel Flame Level 85
6% of base mana 40 yd range

Instant cast

Deals 221 to 255 Shadowflame damage to an enemy target, increasing the duration of Immolate or Unstable Affliction by 6 sec.

Wich seems to be extremely usefull even for Demo, as u can use it on the move and refresh either your UA or Immolation.



Now, about the fact that Pandemic reduces the global cooldown on your banes and curses, well it is not that worth taking I think, since you mainly cast them all once or maybe twice if you screw up your rotaion during the fight and in order to change targets there is the amazing Soul Swap to do the trick for ya and literally dot two targets at the same time.

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Old 02/15/11, 8:16 AM   #24647
Romeus
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
<TG>
Arthas
Originally Posted by Deldion View Post
Well, i am replying as i kinda disagree with what i see all ppl having in their talent trees and none ever told me why really.. Here's my point: I find the 2 points in Pandemic a bit useless, why?? Well here is the tooltip:

Pandemic Rank 2
Reduces the global cooldown of your Bane and Curse spells by .5 sec.

Your Drain Soul has a 100% chance to refresh the duration of your Unstable Affliction spell when dealing damage on targets below 25% health.



So even if i get to use DS to refresh UA it can only happen at or below 25% health of the boss/mob/whatever. Also, I can refresh the UA with the lovely Fel Flame:

Fel Flame Level 85
6% of base mana 40 yd range

Instant cast

Deals 221 to 255 Shadowflame damage to an enemy target, increasing the duration of Immolate or Unstable Affliction by 6 sec.

Wich seems to be extremely usefull even for Demo, as u can use it on the move and refresh either your UA or Immolation.



Now, about the fact that Pandemic reduces the global cooldown on your banes and curses, well it is not that worth taking I think, since you mainly cast them all once or maybe twice if you screw up your rotaion during the fight and in order to change targets there is the amazing Soul Swap to do the trick for ya and literally dot two targets at the same time.
When are you only casting your bane/curses once or twice? Also if I am not mistaken, you shouldn't be using FF to refresh UA ever unless you have a 4pc proc. I've never done it and I seem to do rather well.

The only two options for your spec are

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft - The only reason I see this being useful is if you do 10mans and you need the extra slow, or if you personally want the extra utility be it for outside of raids or PvP.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft - Is my personal choice mainly just because I am trying to at least test if using a shard to swap to a felhunter is an increase for <25%

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Old 02/15/11, 8:51 AM   #24648
Deldion
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Aggramar (EU)
I was using this tree: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

and i really can't get why i should refresh UA with FF. It's an instant cast and you may also use it right after you've cast Haunt, or even on the move. Also I am always using the Felhunter, for the Demon soul effect it has. Also with that spec/demon/glyphs I managed to become very lovely to the healers, as i am selfhealing the most and I am not a pain in the ass to heal when i want to life tap. Best encounter example is Chimaeron. With a few drain lifes i managed to stay up full time of the encounter without the having the healers to really worry about me. Some times it's not the dps, it's the stay alive factor that you must take care of.

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Old 02/15/11, 8:55 AM   #24649
Slider_1128
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by Haraadh View Post
Also, I feel my overall healing is lower. I could do 8k HPS with HS off cd and HL spam to gain daybreak procs, while post-patch this gives me 6k HPS. I am not sure if the nerfs (the ICD and 30% deduction) could account for such heavy healing loss. However, if the extra HPS was due to PotI (which is mainly (~50%) overhealing) the pre patch HPS was just misleading. This data I get from looking at my recount so I cant give you hard facts.
I just started doing 10mans and I find myself running out of mana, I going to try this "HS off cd and HL spam" and see if i can manage my mana better. I like to hear from others how they work their rotations.

Last edited by Slider_1128 : 02/15/11 at 9:04 AM.

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Old 02/15/11, 9:07 AM   #24650
Avanté
 
Avanté
Night Elf Warrior
 
Frostmourne
Hello all,

First time posting, but I want to join in on the discussion!
First off, if judging by the information provided by Swcarden is correct Mr Robot does a fine job of tuning your gear to get that ratio, so I strongly suggest trying it out. The only thing it did was remove a lot of my expertise, I've not had much in the way of threat issues, so I will see how the next few raids go without all that expertise!

I have a few things I want to discuss, directed mostly at dedicated tanks who run two specs. I spent a couple hours looking at the Prot Warrs in the top guilds and the specs they run and found that the variation is large when it comes to what appears to be single target threat and aoe spec variations.
As such, my questions are aimed at those abilities which I still haven't seen thoroughly assessed, and vary from tank to tank.

1. Is Deep Wounds viable for either aoe or single target or both? Is there evidence to support threat gains or dps increases over B&T? Is it viable WITH B&T for an AOE spec? Imagine the damage output on heroic Halfus with DW! Are its long term threat gains on par with B&T and so making it a more viable option for single target?

2. Is Bloodcraze worth it? This is one I noticed either the warrior runs it in both specs or not at all it seems. How can we judge its usefulness, is what I want to know I guess! I was running it in my spec I was using for Nef when we were learning it, sacrificing threat for survivability, but I'm not sure how to judge how helpful it is, on any encounter? Their are only a couple encounters where we are getting beaten by multiple mobs, any thoughts?

3. Safeguard, I find this very useful on some fights and on others I hardly get to use it. There are known places to use it such as Crackles, Acquiring Target, Mangle, Furious Roar, Harden Skin, etc. What are your thoughts on Safeguard? The most annoying part is trying to decide whether to run it in your AOE spec or your Single target! Or both and lose something else?! Still mulling this one over for this coming weeks raid!

Either way keep up the good work guys, the recent info about parry to dodge ratio has really been interesting and helpful, hopefully I will see some results this coming week.

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Old 02/15/11, 10:12 AM   #24651
Voxx
Piston Honda
 
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Gnome Warlock
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Deldion View Post
I was using this tree: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

and i really can't get why i should refresh UA with FF. It's an instant cast and you may also use it right after you've cast Haunt, or even on the move. Also I am always using the Felhunter, for the Demon soul effect it has. Also with that spec/demon/glyphs I managed to become very lovely to the healers, as i am selfhealing the most and I am not a pain in the ass to heal when i want to life tap. Best encounter example is Chimaeron. With a few drain lifes i managed to stay up full time of the encounter without the having the healers to really worry about me. Some times it's not the dps, it's the stay alive factor that you must take care of.
I don't really understand why you argue that Pandemic is only situationally useful and yet you have both Curse of Exhaustion and Soulburn: SoC in your spec. I can understand where might forgo 1 point in Pandemic because you don't need the full 0.5 seconds off your gcd and could get by with just 0.25. If you wanted to put that point back into Soulburn: SoC for better aoe it might make sense.

On another note, if self-sustainability is so important to you how do you keep your Felhunter alive? You don't have any points in Fel Synergy. Are you not using Soul Link? I highly doubt your Felhunter finds enough magic to devour on boss fights to keep it alive through raid damage and your Soul Link.

Edit: The main reason you don't use Fel Flame as a refresher is because it doesn't refresh the entire duration of UA/Immolate and so you end up wasting a lot of gcds trying to keep the spells running. It's a dps loss.

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Old 02/15/11, 10:13 AM   #24652
Warlike
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Frostwolf
Well, I do like the disc playstyle, I don't really care about the shield spam as it feels effective and with some coordination with the other healers yes it will be great, if bubbles is not what you like you can always go holy. I also don't think it needs any kind of nerf or normalization right now, we are talking about something that costs mana and not about something we can do forever, well maybe, for future tiers we might be able to spam it endless if it continues to scale as it is right now, but we use mana and not rage or energy...

I fear that disc might go back to a single target healing spec with limited tools and zero pvp power again if any change is made right now.

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Old 02/15/11, 10:36 AM   #24653
pertyspell
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Drenden
drop pyro an drop impact its so trash control they aint worth taking move those talents to molten shields for the love of your healers an your toons health an take the chance for clear casting saving you mana an allowing for more over all damage.
why these talents weren't recommended i'll never no just sounds like a newb move to me but if you want add control take the spec on the first page but single target damage go 6/32/3

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Old 02/15/11, 10:38 AM   #24654
Peeko
 
Tauren Hunter
 
The Underbog
Originally Posted by lillbrorsan View Post
What are your thoughts of Goblin and their racials for Hunter DPS?

Which one of Orc, Troll and Goblin gives the best racials for increasing your DPS?

Furthermore, what is the complete ranking of all Horde racials for DPS?

Thanks

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Old 02/15/11, 10:45 AM   #24655
DaDeigo
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
Malfurion
Originally Posted by Kavan View Post
if you're using some hyper regen method with Flame Orb
What are you referring to with this statement?

i found the answer to this question a few pages back about flame orb procing AM and that allows you to regen. Please delete this post.

Last edited by DaDeigo : 02/15/11 at 10:56 AM.

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Old 02/15/11, 10:52 AM   #24656
Flatlock
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Shaman
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Currently playing restoshaman (Sunami) on EU-venture Co. Cleared 12/12+ Halfus HC.
Im at a point where i'm investigating the potential of a mastery stacking itemasation.
Im keeping my haste at 790ish since im a goblin and i want to reach the otherwise 916 hastecap.
After that im making sure my crit is at a comfortable lvl for IWS and AA procs.
if thoose two priorities are reached i stack mastery... currently at about 51% increased healing from Deep healing.
Ive mainley been soaking in input from EJ and Jynus post on us forums Jynus Guide to being Pro Resto

Ive done some research on the web to find the correct formula for calculating the increased healing from mastery depending on the targets Hp. This is what ive come up with:

Formula: (1-Targets Hp%) x Deep Healing %= Increased healing%
So with my stats that would be: (1-Targets Hp%) x 50% =Increased healing %
That gives me the following table:

HP% Healing %
100% 0%
90% 5%
80% 10%
70% 15%
60% 20%
50% 25%
40% 30%
30% 35%
20% 40%
10% 45%
0% 50%

What I would wanna know is if this seems correct or not to you?

Last edited by Flatlock : 02/15/11 at 10:57 AM.

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Old 02/15/11, 11:54 AM   #24657
Dralmoo
Don Flamenco
 
Orc Hunter
 
Shadowmoon
To clarify, it's 10.8% haste from gear, with both Pathing and Hunting Party/Windfury/Icy Talons?

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Old 02/15/11, 12:45 PM   #24658
Pashark
Glass Joe
 
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Nordrassil (EU)
Originally Posted by Psilux View Post
Bad link Psi.

Actually i hate the spamming mechanics, maybe a short duration can help but I feel it a bit dangerous.

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Old 02/15/11, 1:05 PM   #24659
Shaker
AUGH CHAMPION TIME
 
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Human Rogue
 
Elune
doublepost 4tl

Consistency. It's only a virtue if you're not a screwup.

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Old 02/15/11, 1:17 PM   #24660
CowTree
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Uldaman
It appears that people in this forum are still anti-mastery, however more often than not, when I look at logs of "successful" Resto-Shaman, they stack Haste to their first break-point then everything goes to Mastery. When I say "successful" I mean that they perform well compared to the other healers in their group. So, not to say, "You're doing it wrong", but do any of you anti-mastery people have logs showing that you guys are pro?

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