Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1658

Solifer · 02/19/11, 7:23 AM

3x Sunder Armor

I assume you got no prot warrior in that group and you are using the CS-glyph.

Glyphed CS itself doesn't create sunder armor, but once there is a SA-stack, CS adds a stack itself. So 2x SA + CS will result in 3 stacks of SA. You save rage and a GCD this way - while CS should be used more frequently anyway compared to your prioritylist.

Lichbloom.gb · 02/19/11, 8:19 AM

Hello everyone.
Regardless the topic and past few posts, I have few questions about elemental and need tips about it.

Lately, officers are looking at worldoflogs and stateofdps which is making me kinda depressed. I’m sometimes near those numbers on meters, sometimes far away from them.

I will try to put up this post as clear as possible so you can read and answer in the most easiest way.

*Life Blood, Berserking, Elemental Mastery

I’m using a simple macro for those. They have different cooldowns and keeping in mind that with enough haste, our elemental mastery CD refreshes really fast, how do you manage to use those 3? Should we simply use any of those CD’s when available after we use it first time or wait for all of them to refresh and than hit the macro again.

I’m aware it depends of situation but what would be the best way to maximize the DPS.

**Rotation with chain lightning
As many of you are raiding, there are few encounters that acquire a lot of AOE. Keeping in mind that our earthquake takes too much mana, it make us AOE-useless when it comes to that spell, so rotation with CL is a must.

Right now I’m talking about HC Maloriak. What would be the best rotation with chain lightning included into it? Any tips about the fight overall.

***Latency

My latency is often around 200-250. Since I’ve been playing restoration for almost 5 years, it didn’t really matter much. As it is now, I wonder how does it affect elemental and is it a big problem. Reason I’m asking is that our DPS is based on how fast we cast and how fast we use available cooldowns. I have feeling that elemental just can’t afford any latency?

****Doing something wrong

Often I just have feeling I’m doing something wrong. My rotation is pretty much fine.
I cast flame shock, right after lava burst, spam LB until I’m at 7 stacks of fulmination, filling up with LB again. I don’t have issues with flame shock CD since I’m using flame shock glyph.

Also, when switching targets. I need a tip about how do you start the fight again. Let’s take Omnotron Defense System as an example. How do you switch targets there and do you start the rotation all over again?

Since I honestly haven’t played elemental much (playing only since cataclysm, been forced to switch specs due to elemental need), tip me with stuff I should take care of. My gear is not bad at all, actually got all the gear I need. Please, try to be informative about my question as much as possible. I’m slowly loosing the patience with being under hunters, mages, moonkins and rogues.

Thanks in advance,
Alex aka Lichbloom,
Grim Batol

zuuz · 02/19/11, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by TeKniciaN

You put some doubt in my mind, so I decided to perform a simple test to verify. It appears that each individual jump is affected by mastery independently, not based on the mastery bonus of the first hit.

Good to know. This really increases the effectiveness of mastery in my mind, considering Chain Heal is a smart heal and jumps to the lowest health raider in range when it chains.

One final piece of testing I will try tonight is to see if Chain Heal calculates the mastery value of it's jumps independently or if the initial hit's mastery can inflate the latter jumps since your testing was always done with the initial target's HP at 100%.

Dawntreader · 02/19/11, 9:30 AM

Hey guys. I was Looking at some of the talents the other day and noted that since we now take Virulence as well as Epidemic, it allows us to go into the second tier of the Unholy talents. If you look at this, we can actually take a talent that ups the dmg of one of our attacks (optional attacks), D&D. I spec'd into Morbidity just to run some tests on the dummies and I've also used it in some H's. I'm seeing a boost of 1-2k dps on single target and around 3-5k on AoE pulls. It pretty much helps to partially make up for our nerf on HB and it is decent on single target to boot.

Anyone else running this getting these same numbers?

Here is the Build I'm currently running:
3/31/7

Thanks

Wrathblood · 02/19/11, 10:26 AM

Just as an fyi, before people jump to conclusions to quickly, there are conflicting reports on the size of the AP bonus from AotH and whether there might have one too many zeros. Given the size of the dps increase for BM (and MM, even after the AiS nerf!) according to Simulationcraft, it seems plausible that the AP increase might actually be 200.

At +200 AP, napkin math suggests BM would get perhaps a 1.2-1.4% dps increase, while MM would see perhaps a 1.5-2% decrease overall, not sure about SV.

Eva · 02/19/11, 10:28 AM

AotH hotfix isn't implemented yet (on the EU servers). On the characterpane the difference with and without AotH is 638 without any talentpoints.

Matrlx · 02/19/11, 10:29 AM

So wich better after Testing hurricane or avalanche ?

and wich prime glyph is better Exo or Cs ?

/me confused

Calianna · 02/19/11, 11:11 AM

Hi first post, been reading this thread for a while now figured to join up the fourms and join in!

I was wondering if anyone had found any usefull Cata trinkets that are going to help us solo? I know that the 2 from Ony and 2 from ICC come in handy, wondered if there was anything new that people had found?

Have only soloed MC so far, didn't find it too difficult now with the increased HP pools that Cata have brought, could never do Golemagg at 80.......an I'll leave it at that.

knighthawk257 · 02/19/11, 11:47 AM

Hello All, I have been playing WOW now for over 5 years and have seen alot of changes over the past 5. So here is my question, Can someone please tell me the caps for all stats for a tank? i have been told so many different things that my mind has become warped from all the differnt stats. If someone can tell me soft and hard i would greatly appericate it

itsmekp · 02/19/11, 1:20 PM

So with this new 40% nerf to AiS is it still worth while to be using the AiS rotation? Or could the buff from AotH turn AS focus dump worth while now?

Mythdia · 02/19/11, 1:29 PM

I'm new to BM, as of, ohh, maybe an hour ago. :p

If the hotfix goes through as stated, it's time to learn the spec. (Been playing Surv/MM for 2 years).

I am looking for a good guide to priorities.

I see Nooska's OP and the basic cycle.
I see Kripp's Nef kill as BM, and used Log Browser/Query/Kripparrian-Spell Cast to delve into his priority.

And, I'm lost.

Anyone have advice? I am not looking for just basic rotation, but how to actually play BM well.

Thanks in advance.

Aggressive1989 · 02/19/11, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by Solifer

I assume you got no prot warrior in that group and you are using the CS-glyph.

Glyphed CS itself doesn't create sunder armor, but once there is a SA-stack, CS adds a stack itself. So 2x SA + CS will result in 3 stacks of SA. You save rage and a GCD this way - while CS should be used more frequently anyway compared to your prioritylist.

Ok! I did not know that, good tip, thanks for that! Should i place it even before BT?

Any other suggestions concerning my stats (hit, crit, haste etc)?

Shadowwaltz · 02/19/11, 2:06 PM

It's not a 40% nerf. Poster couple posts up said it was a 8-9% nerf if you take 3/3 OwN.

I think the question is whether we should prioritize chimera over aimed now, not whether we should drop aimed altogether. Aimed still scales amazingly with AP, and with the 10% raid haste buff and 15% from Imp SS it doesn't take that long to cast.

Electronic Punk · 02/19/11, 3:26 PM

I think that also overlooks the fact that all your other shots will be doing more damage due to the AOTH buff, so yes aimed is down 9% but the others are well up.

grrzoot · 02/19/11, 3:28 PM

yes 8% from Tbtl but that is added to the 8% u allready have. my spell hit is always pretty much 18% all the time and i have done nothing with it. well between 17-18% depending on swapping gear etc