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Old 05/11/09, 5:03 AM   #4201
Snaile
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by Shandara View Post
The gem count is more a color count, it shows how much gems match either Red, Yellow or Blue. So multi-color gems will add to both colors.

You're not losing crit, but there's a few factors involved:
a) Your in-game crit displayed is versus a level 80 mob, versus a level 83 you will suffer some. Testing revealed a crit depression of roughly 4.2%.
b) The displayed crit % in the sheet includes procs from talents and gear (i.e. Master Tactician).
c) It also includes buffs on the target

After adding/subtracting all this the sheet ends up at 23.52% _effective_ crit rate.
Thx for the info

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Old 05/11/09, 7:42 AM   #4202
Souly11
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Human Death Knight
 
Akama
with the recent buffs to armor pen. does this make aged winter cloak better then cloak of bloodied waters?

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Old 05/11/09, 7:46 AM   #4203
Hiuhime
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
The World of Warcraft Armory

10/51/10 - Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
This spec is something i made up myself and so far it has proven to be worth it.

According to my current calculations, it seems that the 5/5 Bladed Armor, might be better than 3/5 and 3/3 Ravenous Dead, this isn't a fact at this point, since i havn't calculated the difference with Greatness & Crusader procs + Raid buffs, such as Kings, GOTW and the 40+ from food, might be worth calculating in aswell.

Atm it looks like;

Armor / 180 x 5 = X

STR / 100 x 3= Y (x2 = AP bonus)

X = Bonus from Bladed Armor
Y = Bonus from Ravenous Dead

To count in Kings, MOTW and Food buff it would look like; (With Ravenous Dead 3/3)

STR + 37 + 40 / 100 x 13 = _____

Afterwards you'd need to calculate Proc Rate on Greatness & Crusader with PPM (Procs Per Minute)
And tbh im not that good at math. :P

Currently doing 4.2-4.8K DPS on HC Dummy, Unbuffed. - This is without using Cooldowns, during a 6-10 min test.
Depends on KM Procs - Using Vengefulheart Sigil, which brings my FS hits up to 9.5-10.5K

I've also found out that having the 26 Expertise cap, actually just gives the last bit of DPS - atleast it has proven to be worth it, in Ulduar.

But... Even though im making a hell lot of DPS on Dummy, i still find my DPS on Boss's around 5.5-6K, MAX.
Can't find the reason for this, because i know that with Unholy unbuffed, its buffs my DPS with about 2-3K, getting raid buffs.
Might be because of the lack of Impurity.
I'll still be testing further homemade specs with my own Rotation.

** EDIT **
The next spec that i will be testing is
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

And yes, i use PS in my rotation, since this often proves out, to be the best in a long run. (Based on dmg from Obliterate & Blood Strike %-damage bonus + the tick it self.

Last edited by Hiuhime : 05/11/09 at 8:05 AM.

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Old 05/11/09, 7:55 AM   #4204
Morinehtar
 
Undead Mage
 
Kazzak (EU)
Ishtara , this is awesome!

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Old 05/11/09, 10:22 AM   #4205
Tarthain
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Wyrmrest Accord
Best Warrior DPS since the patch?

After talking to lvl 80 warriors on my server I am getting the feeling that since the patch arms is better for overall dps? I understand that the titan's grip nerf was a major blow to fury spec'd warriors but which is better for dps now? I currently have a level 30 warrior and after reading info on fury I understand that 2Hers for fury until BC gear with +hit is the way to go. I'll be honest reading about the mechanics confuses the hell outta me. Mainly I came here to try and get a better understanding of the mechanics but I guess I just don't get it..... Any help/tips/suggestions are always appreciated as I like to do the best I can at everything I do in game.

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Old 05/11/09, 10:23 AM   #4206
Frankol
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Auchindoun (EU)
Hello.

What do u think about this bulid ?

The World of Warcraft Armory

Rotation:
DS-IT-PS-HS-HS-HS-HS-DS-HS-HS

Rune dump whenever you like it , as in dancing rune weapon or death coils.

My rotation starts with Death Strike , so I have death runes rolling off the start. So it goes something like this..

U don't have to stop rotation. Dump when u have 80+ RP

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Old 05/11/09, 12:54 PM   #4207
muramid
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Garona
What is the BiS Non hard mode gear that is available for Human Warlock?

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Old 05/11/09, 1:03 PM   #4208
Nolderynh
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Sinstralis (EU)
Hi Nightcrowler and thanks for this great project
Do you know when a new version of FbN addon will be release ?

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Old 05/11/09, 1:44 PM   #4209
Roly
Banned
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
beginner at lock pvp. first tried affli, but i dont like long kites, so i retalented to destro for burst kills.
using Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft now, but im not sure on 5 talent point.
-imp succubus seems fine, but i could put those 3 points into soul leech,
-improved healthstone or imp health funnel,
-tried succu glyph, now i changed to chaos bolt, but dont see any real difference.

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Old 05/11/09, 1:55 PM   #4210
Malapropia
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Human Priest
 
Echo Isles
Originally Posted by Stoical View Post
Not disagreeing with your conclusion, but don't rely on that post for anything at the moment. Darkside hasn't updated the post since mid-April, so it only has the first round or so of XT kills.
I'll concede that point.

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Old 05/11/09, 2:37 PM   #4211
Leenali
 
Human Paladin
 
Dalaran (EU)
@ ishtara

nice job !
can't wait for the release !

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Old 05/11/09, 2:40 PM   #4212
Eyry
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Lightning's Blade
Thank you all so much for your helpful replies!! I appriciate your responses and I now have a better understanding of how to evaluate the Simcraft.

Thanks,

-Eyry

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Old 05/11/09, 2:47 PM   #4213
Amailya
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Thorium Brotherhood
*sighs* that's not a real answer and I don't have excel so I can't exactly use it. Someone at least link me to somewhere that talks about it

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Old 05/11/09, 2:50 PM   #4214
jozga
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Warrior
 
Runetotem (EU)
and I don't have excel so I can't exactly use it
Download the trial of Excel.

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Old 05/11/09, 4:19 PM   #4215
Suave
 
Human Rogue
 
Aegwynn (EU)
Vulmir is to bad?

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Old 05/11/09, 5:21 PM   #4216
siksis
Glass Joe
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Twisting Nether
The World of Warcraft Armory

I am looking for the best dps spec.. I just came back from a little break and found myself being beaten by a hunter, warlock, and another DK.. I have the superior gear, just a bad rotation.. Can someone tell me the best rotation?? Dont use Abbreviations if you can please.. Type it out

Thanks.

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Old 05/11/09, 11:28 PM   #4217
Loridon
Banned
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Shattered Hand
spec

I am looking to pick up unholy for my PVE DPS and i am really confused by reading here

Looking for the best post 3.1 unholy spec

is it 0/10/61? if so what is that?

also looking for basic rotation and glyphs.

This might be repetitive, but I just am really confused from reading through,

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Old 05/11/09, 11:50 PM   #4218
Taramelion
 
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Llane
what about a [Malice] and [Remorse] combo? how does that hold up vs a Calamity's Grasp/Webbed Death..

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Old 05/11/09, 11:51 PM   #4219
Cankuna
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Blood Elf Warrior
 
No WoW Account
Originally Posted by Loridon View Post
I am looking to pick up unholy for my PVE DPS and i am really confused by reading here

Looking for the best post 3.1 unholy spec

is it 0/10/61? if so what is that?

also looking for basic rotation and glyphs.

This might be repetitive, but I just am really confused from reading through,
If you read the first post on the first page, if gives a good summary of what is discussed. There are some new findings or discussions going on, but the basic rotation and the glyph question is still the same from the first post here
The best spec is still being discussed, but the general consent from the first post is still true. 12/0/59 is the basic cookie cutter, 0/10/61 is supposed to scale with better gear and then there are some variations in the 12/0/59, which you will find throughout this thread. These variations are mostly based on personal preference. 7/10/54 is one variation, others are staying 12/0/59 with taking points out of ghoul frenzy or improved unholy presence.

I hope I didn't confuse you too much and actually provided a short overview.

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Old 05/12/09, 12:30 AM   #4220
dcpwns
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Arthas
Sorry if this has been talked about or was proven somewhere else but I was wondering why in the two post 3.1 destro builds one uses LT glyph and the other uses immo glyph. Does the immo glyph really beat out Lting every 20 for the extra spell power?

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Old 05/12/09, 12:34 AM   #4221
Reknown
Banned
 
Blood Elf Warrior
 
Hellfire (EU)
guildy is telling me bears should have at least 155 hit minimum, and to work towards getting capped.

how truthful is that? i have 89 hit and have never had problems with aggro all throughout ulduar.

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Old 05/12/09, 12:43 AM   #4222
scottc
 
Orc Hunter
 
Deathwing
Stat Comparison w/ Diminishing Return

Haven't found any where a char for hunters showing diminishing return on haste vs. crit vs. ArP maybe I haven't looked in the right spots. If anyone can show me to a chart explaining the 3, on diminishing return, that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
scottc

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Old 05/12/09, 1:05 AM   #4223
Loridon
Banned
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Shattered Hand
Originally Posted by Cankuna View Post
If you read the first post on the first page, if gives a good summary of what is discussed. There are some new findings or discussions going on, but the basic rotation and the glyph question is still the same from the first post here
The best spec is still being discussed, but the general consent from the first post is still true. 12/0/59 is the basic cookie cutter, 0/10/61 is supposed to scale with better gear and then there are some variations in the 12/0/59, which you will find throughout this thread. These variations are mostly based on personal preference. 7/10/54 is one variation, others are staying 12/0/59 with taking points out of ghoul frenzy or improved unholy presence.

I hope I didn't confuse you too much and actually provided a short overview.
everythings good. few extra questions

Just hit 80...what glyphs are sppropriate. First page really confused me.... and why is it that with 12/0/59 you use Blood presence, but spec into unholy presence aura...why is 15% movement speed so important?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 05/12/09, 1:10 AM   #4224
Aldhissla
Von Kaiser
 
Troll Priest
 
Jubei'Thos
Originally Posted by Reknown View Post
guildy is telling me bears should have at least 155 hit minimum, and to work towards getting capped.

how truthful is that? i have 89 hit and have never had problems with aggro all throughout ulduar.
That doesn't make a lot of sense, 155 is a very arbitrary number when you consider it is nowhere near the hit cap for 83 bosses (which from memory is 263 hit rating).

Balancing "offensive" threat stats versus defensive stats for tanking is never cut and dry, for a lot of fights you cannot afford anything but the best survivability, especially as you are still gearing up. Other fights may be more threat sensitive with little chance of tank death.

If you are worried about threat, you are generally better off with expertise than hit, as it contributes to both dodge and parry up to the dodge cap of 6.5%, and the parry reduction has the added benefit of reducing "parry haste" which some bosses have.

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Old 05/12/09, 2:10 AM   #4225
Taizu
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Gnome Death Knight
 
Arthas
Originally Posted by Loridon View Post
everythings good. few extra questions

Just hit 80...what glyphs are sppropriate. First page really confused me.... and why is it that with 12/0/59 you use Blood presence, but spec into unholy presence aura...why is 15% movement speed so important?

Thanks in advance.
First post answers your question already. Are you sure you read even the op?

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t53615-u...n/#post1190959

Glyphs:
Recommended Glyphs:

Major:
Glyph of the Ghoul
Glyph of Scourge Strike
Glyph of Dark Death
Glyph of Unholy Blight - When there becomes a DPS increase worth breaking T7, Glyph of Unholy Blight will take precedent.

Minor:
Glyph of Pestilence
Glyph of Horn of winter
Glyph of Raise Dead
FAQ
Q: What presence should I DPS in for PVE?
A: Generally speaking, blood. As unholy 2H, you have lots of free time between attacks due to the nature of the cycle; this allows you to sit in blood presence and get the most out of each. Also, you already have unholy aura (at least, you should) for the movement speed. There ARE some specs which prefer unholy presence, namely 2H frost (for extra GCDs, to get extra frost strikes in before diseases wear off), but the vast majority of PVE DPS specs prefer blood presence.

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