Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1697

thach1ef · 03/09/11, 4:31 PM

There is hardly any discussion regarding LB and single target fights. Refresh before explosion or reapply? I'd think there would be more talk on this as it seems this may be a huge difference in damage output depending on which you do.

Refreshing before it explodes means you get a higher LB uptime and you are continuing the ticks which are more dmg than the explosion portion. However the explosion portion is after the final tick of LB, coming approximately .5 seconds after the last tick. This is almost free dmg at that point.

If you reapply after explosion you are going to have a lower uptime on LB but you are gaining those explosions as well as letting the explosion trigger Hot Streak whereas the ticks will not.

Reapplying you also have to take into consideration the time between the explosion and your reapplication. Some people think they are computers and can reapply within 0.1 seconds, but I disagree with that and think that these people may be underestimating how fast 0.1 seconds really is as well as underestimating other factors (lag, human response time, etc).

Refeshing LB before explosion will consume more GCDs during the fight and also will be a contributing factor in dmg output.

I'm hoping this will open some conversation on the subject.

Sm00thie · 03/09/11, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by PainfulDeath

While this probably is true, sometimes speccing out of Demo is not an option. (for example I raid 10-man lately and our setup doesn't include an elemental shaman or even a mage) So min-maxing your Demo output in most fights is a valid discussion, even with the dualspec option =)

I should have mentioned that. I'm confronted with exactly the same situation due the relaunch of my old guild will focus, as in the past, on 10 man raids. And as we usally don't have an ele with us, the buff is really important. But of course there are fights were Affli (which is my second specc) does better.

But that's pure feeling. The math is easy though, if "2 gcds (of fillers probably, since both casting succubus and sould link comes at around the time you are done with DoTing, HoGing and SFing anyway) > 3-5 seconds of Demon soul buff + Felstorm - ~7 seconds of succubus' dps" holds, then you should swap them before fight, otherwise just stick to the felguard and his storm.

Thanks for the clarification, I'll keep that in mind an see how it practically will work out.

Underzero · 03/09/11, 7:54 PM

How does the alchemist trinket STR/Mastery stacks as far as gear selection over the Darkmoon card

Zaetrum · 03/09/11, 11:21 PM

I thought I was crazy the first time I saw it, but then it just happened to me about 5 minutes ago.
I'm currently useing Hurricane on my OH and Mongoose (I know) on my MH.
Just as I finished killing an npc I swear I saw two Hurricane buffs in my bar. By the time I moused over, one of them was gone.
I went back through my combat log and, sure enough, Hurricane had proced twice and overlapped by a few seconds.

Is this a common occurence?

redskull15 · 03/09/11, 11:35 PM

In Regards to Fire Spec

Fire Mobility
Fire can use every spell in its arsenal while moving except for Fireball. While moving continue casting as normal, but use Scorch in place of any Fireball casts.

I'm going to safely assume you included Frostfire Bolt in your list of spells "not castable while moving," but something I've noticed while playing my mage is it doesn't let me use a Pyroblast! proc while moving, even if it is instant cast. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but it certainly can put a slight strain on dps when the situation calls for movement.

thathill8 · 03/10/11, 12:55 AM

Curious about the point turn over how much mastery for how much rating if that makes sense

dariuslecter · 03/10/11, 1:11 AM

Hey guys,
I would like some advices if u can regarding of my dps.
Last night i changed some of my gear( weapon, Shoulders, Belt, gloves) i went to test it on dummy and i cant pull more than 13k dps.
I dont know what i am doing wrong.
MY current rotation is:

CS-BT-RB(on proc)-Slam(on proc)-HS above 80 rage and i use Berserker Rage to get RB procc.

This is my char armory link:

Dariusz @ Sporeggar - Game - World of Warcraft.

Please help me out.
Thanx,
Darius

Pinworm45 · 03/10/11, 5:39 AM

I think this has probably been asked, but I had difficulty finding specifics with the search feature.

Between Essense of the Cyclone, Fluid Death, and Darkmoon Card: Hurricane, what 2 trinkets would be optimal for a MM hunter to use in raids?

I tried using FD to figure it out, but I'm not sure it's set up right.. using DMC and Fluid Death yielded the same Wild Hunt uptime as EotC and DMC - which doesn't make sense.

iwog · 03/10/11, 6:50 AM

Thats because your are casting Pyroblast not Pyroblast! if you change your macro to Pyroblast! you'll lose the ability to hard cast pyroblast but gain the ability to cast it whilst moving.

Elorael · 03/10/11, 7:31 AM

I'm not a Ret Pally, but I have a stubborn friend that refuses to ditch a 318 trinket (and hasn't got around to buying the VP one yet) who insists that he can't use the Notched Jawbone with his gear because it won't be as good. I was doing some playing around with reforging on his gear, and came up with the following stats and changes.

What I was hoping was that someone knowledgeable could confirm that:

Hit Cap for a Draenei Paladin is 840,
Exp Cap for a Draenei paladin is 481,
And that the things I have below aren't a bad setup, and I'm not missing something.

If there's nothing wrong with the stats with the Jawbone, then I might have a chance of convincing him to upgrade it.

Current Stats
Crit: 1697
Exp: 486
Haste: 755
Hit: 915 (75 over cap)
Mastery: 1091

VS

With the Jawbone and my reforging
Crit: 1631 (-66)
Exp: 482 (+4) (Cap is 481)
Hit: 838 (-2 under, better by +75) (Cap is 840)
Haste: 755 (No Change)
Mastery: 1268 (+177)

+33 Strength
+35 Stam

Variable options

219 of the mastery is able to move to Crit if preferred (91+128)
OR
Alternatively 144 of the Crit can move to Mastery if preferred (100+44)
With Hit, he's 2 points under, but the Jawbone can move 25 points from Crit to Hit.
Also Armory can't see his belt properly for its stats, but I'm assuming that its not going to matter one way or the other.

Manual:
Head - No change
Neck (50 Haste -> 50 Mastery)
Shoulders - No change
Cloak (44 Haste -> 44 Mastery)
Chest (75 Haste -> 75 Mastery)
Bracers (44 Mastery -> 44 Crit) (he did this so I replicated it)
Gloves (59 Haste -> 59 Mastery)
Belt - No change
Legs (91 Haste -> 91 Mastery)
Boots (52 Hit -> 52 Mastery)
Ring 1 (44 Hit -> 44 Mastery)
Ring 2 (44 Hit -> 44 Exp)
Trinket 1 (100 Haste -> 100 Crit)
Trinket 2 (128 Hit -> 128 Mastery)
Weapon - No Change
Relic (25 Hit -> 25 Crit)

There's my theorycrafting, but since I'm not a Ret pally, I was hoping someone could double check it and point out any flaws.

Aquarelia · 03/10/11, 11:27 AM

I have got a question about Affliction and recasting dots when trinkets etc. procc.

Does it increase the dmg of Unstable Affliction if I refresh it by a single Fel Flame when trinkets like Darkmoon:Vulcano procc?

Does it make sense of recast an 7s left UA if the DM:Vulcano procc will end in 2s? From what I read so far the dots get the spellpower etc. from the time you cast the spell, right? So if the Vulcano procc is only active for 2 seconds and cast UA, the spell has the 1600 Int for the whole duration (I know that no rolling crit, sp, haste exist anymore)? What happens if the UA with the procc get's updated by a Fel Flame? The procc buff is removed, isn't it?

Is there a rule when one should recast BoA when trinkets procc? The dot makes more dmg the longer it ticks. So if it is only running 3 more seconds, shall I recast it if vulcano or bell procc or should it wait?

Onua · 03/10/11, 1:48 PM

Hi
Thanks for the easy undestandable and usefull guide.
About bet buffs and what to bring to raids: I found this - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Flowchart3.jpg on ze internetz and i have used it a lot, maybe that would be usefull for others too.
I dont know if it has been linked to already, but my search attempts came up empty, besides good things never go out of fashion. Maybe link to it under the pet buff section of the guide too.

/Onua

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Madiator · 03/10/11, 2:30 PM

Hi guys, first time poster. I just wanted to clarify the best single target threat rotation. As far as I understand, its:

shield slam on cd
if shield slam has <= gcd left on its cooldown, use demo shout(no clipping)>thunderclap (no clipping)>shockwave>rend (no clipping), and if all those abilities are up, use revenge > devastate
otherwise, shield slam has > gcd left on its cooldown, so we want to proc sword and board by using revenge > devastate

Is this rotation correct, assuming I am responsible for maintaining demo shout and thunderclap, and without having bleed damage increases? Or should I be clipping demo shout and tclap to ensure 100% uptime (or, should i simply say demo, tclap > all if the boss doesnt have the debuff)?

EDIT: I suppose I should mention that the reason I'm asking is because rawr and the first post have slightly different things to say about the rotation (rawr recommends shockwave and not rend, as an example). I also know that when/whether to clip demo and tclap is a situation dependent thing, but I was wondering what most of you guys do on progression fights.

Flowerchick · 03/10/11, 7:22 PM

My question is how do i find out if my range stats are capped. Where do i look