Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 1699

leoryc · 03/11/11, 1:47 PM

I've been reading this thread as much as possible as a Fury Warrior with Titan Grip, but I just don't feel like I do enough DPS, and I'm hoping one of you guys can point out what I could be doing wrong.

My item level is 355, so everything I have is either 346 or 359. My primary focus is putting in Strength after that I have the following: hit 8.5% hit, and 24 expertise. 10.5% Haste, 19.5% Crit, Mastery 12.8. I don't have any Agility items.

As a Jewelcrafter I put the best gems in that I can, and I've made sure that everything has the best non-crystal enchant it can hold (need to be able to afford it).

When I engage an enemy my primary attacks are Raging Blow, Blood Thirst, and Heroic Strike. I recently started remembering to use Inner Rage to get some quicker Heroic Strikes. If Slam appears for instant, and everything is on a timer or I'm out of rage, I'll use it, otherwise rarely.

I pop my CDs regularly, not just on the final 10%. Long boss fights can sometimes get 2 pops.

I often look at other people's gear and mine tends to be higher in the heroics I join. But I struggle with DPS in the 10k-11.5k range. Other classes are doing 11-14k damage with lesser gear than me... like hunters and mages in particular.

Any thoughts on why my DPS isn't as good as other people? Feel free to look me up as Leoryc on Kael'thas server.

Boddugh · 03/11/11, 2:31 PM

Originally Posted by leoryc

I've been reading this thread as much as possible as a Fury Warrior with Titan Grip, but I just don't feel like I do enough DPS, and I'm hoping one of you guys can point out what I could be doing wrong.

My item level is 355, so everything I have is either 346 or 359. My primary focus is putting in Strength after that I have the following: hit 8.5% hit, and 24 expertise. 10.5% Haste, 19.5% Crit, Mastery 12.8. I don't have any Agility items.

As a Jewelcrafter I put the best gems in that I can, and I've made sure that everything has the best non-crystal enchant it can hold (need to be able to afford it).

When I engage an enemy my primary attacks are Raging Blow, Blood Thirst, and Heroic Strike. I recently started remembering to use Inner Rage to get some quicker Heroic Strikes. If Slam appears for instant, and everything is on a timer or I'm out of rage, I'll use it, otherwise rarely.

I pop my CDs regularly, not just on the final 10%. Long boss fights can sometimes get 2 pops.

I often look at other people's gear and mine tends to be higher in the heroics I join. But I struggle with DPS in the 10k-11.5k range. Other classes are doing 11-14k damage with lesser gear than me... like hunters and mages in particular.

Any thoughts on why my DPS isn't as good as other people? Feel free to look me up as Leoryc on Kael'thas server.

Is this 10 man?, 25 man? which boss? If you have iLvl 355 gear, I agree even 12k is low. Raising your expertise to 26 will help. Hard to pinpoint without a log to look at.

WilyEWarlock · 03/11/11, 3:04 PM

Looking forward to seeing some Movement Sims. Also, I was looking at character via simcraft results page for the first 4.1 sims and wanted to know why/for on talents like MF and DE over 3 points in Bane. Are those backdoor DPS improvements? Also, hit at 1730, is this a viable compromise over hit at 1742? Thanks for having something up already, looking for more.

leoryc · 03/11/11, 3:09 PM

That's just in general the DPS that I do. I don't raid much other than BH, and do a lot of heroics. So I'm doing 10-11.5k dps.

How do I provide a log?

Vreshnar · 03/11/11, 3:37 PM

Sartharion 10er solo is also pretty easy as shaman, the trash is annoying but with wolves no problem.
tryed it today the first time and made it.

left minidrake: just nuke
middle minidrake: nuke, keep cds 4 adds
right minidrake: 1. portal - earth elemental, 2. portal - earth/fire elemental
sartharion: avoid everything that hurts, keep bl and wolves for 30% or 20% - nuke

wiped a few times at the trash, but killed sartharion first try

enhancer - ilvl 359 - pve specc and glyphs

greetz Vresh

xSalvation · 03/11/11, 4:10 PM

Hey guys i'm wondering about the rotation. I'm currently using clcret helper to determine my rotation but on the dummy and in boss combat I am not getting the amount of damage that i should be getting from my TV. According to Simulation Craft my TV should be about 16% or more of my total dps but on dummies and bosses its more like 10%. My highest crits with my TV are about 40k which is amazingly low. Compared to 2 weeks ago at the beginning of 4.0.6 (even after i reforged into mastery) my crits for any fight were 70-100k. Also my dps has fallen with my only changes being gear (which has gotten much better). I think the problem is i dont have enough TV going off or my stats are not correct. I have gotten higher dps by putting mastery to crit but my dps is still not even close to before. Have I reached a point where my mastery is too high or is there a flaw in my rotation not explained in the main post.

Rotation that I use: InqDP-Inq3HP-TV3HPorDP-CS-TVproc-how-exo-judge-HW-Consc

Also could my trinkets cause the problem in a fight. If I use AW+Zeal+MightofOcean(or similar) my dps doesnt skyrocket like i have seen before. I used to peak on certain fights at 20k (magmaw reg during down phase) now i only peak at 14.5k(using on heroism)

I cant find the answer in the main post and I'm confused on certain statistics that don't add up.

FYI: all addons are up to date

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GEARSLAYER · 03/11/11, 7:09 PM

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Lucrece · 03/11/11, 7:31 PM

Originally Posted by _Drogo_

We are switch from BoA to BoD for single target but is there a certain duration of fight required for BoD to be superior or is it better than BoA even on short fights? i.e. On fights less than 15 seconds would BoA be better? Obviously it doesn't matter a whole lot on fights that short, just curious.

Something to note is that you can't copy BoD to other targets like you can with BoA, just removes BoD to the other target instead.

So in any cleave encounters (about most of your raid encounters) you will still be using BoA so you can soul swap around and multidot your targets.

BoD only comes on top in single target fights Simulationcraft-style.

ImANub · 03/11/11, 8:50 PM

with KC being so expensive and only 8% chance to refund focus if yur specc'd into RiF - is it rly worth it in any situation? seems more trouble than it's worth

Exie · 03/11/11, 10:10 PM

I'm just going to re-post what i posted over at The Inconspicuous Bear to save time, as the blog maintainer hasn't responded in a few days:

i was just wondering about unheeded warning. im new to feral dps (having moved from a TBC/wrath/early cata resto) and I’ve read through many threads (including your post on the forums) mentioning that hit is better as reforged to another stat.

with unheeded warning being our best trinket now, would it be more optimal to KEEP hit rating in order to make the trinkets benefit even greater?

(sorry if this has already been discussed >< i have yet to find information about hit in relation to unheeded warning)

i forgot to mention that i was considering this based on next patch as well, where all interrupts will have a 100% chance to hit, so hit rating (theoretically) would be useless, i was just wondering if it which would be more optimal, keeping hit, or avoiding it like the plague :3

does anyone have any nice information on unheeded warning for me? if so, you can just redirect me

once again, im sorry if this has already been covered, i couldn't find any posts about it using the search function on EJ ><

anthell · 03/12/11, 12:01 AM

there are reasons of why some of those changes arent documented...

Lilyana · 03/12/11, 2:52 AM

In PvP it is virtually useless against moving targets and fast target swapping. Changes will have to be made to the ability to make it viable for any higher end arena bracket. BM cannot utilize it properly in arena either since when you swap targets, you have long pet travel times. So for MM it is considerably worse.

For MM in PvE I tested it along side the additional crit talents in BM tree. This was a marks build of course, and the uptime on WOL at the end of the evening's BoT clear was 12% proc rate for the entire night. I assume it's because bosses rarely moved. And when it did proc, I needed to prioritise aimed shot, or was too focus starved to use it. Sometimes I would try and use it and got the classic error message that I wasn't able to do so yet.

Clearly, KC requires a change so that it applies when the pet reaches the target instead of failing to go off. In addition, this talent needs to be a free cast, instead of a focus refund for it to be worthwhile using at present for MM.

Trunkthzhao · 03/12/11, 4:01 AM

What the best hit rating for a rogue?

Hazzens · 03/12/11, 4:28 AM

What weapons would be best suited for Subt spec for raiding ? What 346 2 weapons and what end game epic weapons?

Morruspessifs · 03/12/11, 6:58 AM